State terrorism and Muslim youths

By Abu Zafar Adil Azmi,

(Translated from Urdu by Mumtaz Alam Falahi)

This is a fact that no society can live long with injustice and double standard in giving justice to its people. Unfortunately our country India is fast turning into a society of that character. The attitude of police, administration and judiciary towards Muslim youths arrested in connection with terror cases shows the double standard of justice in the country.

There were several devastating bomb blasts in the country in 2008 in which hundreds of people were killed and several hundreds injured. Consequently, hundreds of Muslim youths have been put behind bar under the charges of terror activities.



In the name of terror every year scores of Muslim youths had been arrested for past some time but the trend got momentum soon after the blasts in courts in Uttar Pradesh in 2007 and it is still going on. The details of the cases against the Muslim youths show that the police and administration have deliberately implicated them in scores of cases. Given the speed of disposal of court cases, it seems they will perhaps be never released.

The pattern of investigation of police in terror cases was already questioned but indiscriminate arresting of Muslim youths in terror cases in recent time and accusing them in 40-40 and 50-50 cases gives a feeling that this all is part of a big conspiracy. Muslim youths had been implicated in terror cases earlier also but most of them were acquitted by the court as the police could not prove charges but the big number of cases in the recent blasts points toward a big conspiracy.

In connection with the July 2008 Ahmedabad serial blasts and recovery of dozens of bombs in Surat the police have accused 102 people in 35 cases. Of the accused 52 have been arrested and most of them are accused in all 35 cases. For May 2008 Jaipur blasts 11 people have been made accused in 8 cases. Four are arrested. For September 2008 Delhi serial blasts 28 people have been made accused in 8 cases. Sixteen have been arrested. Besides, the Mumbai police have arrested 21 people accusing them as member of the Indian Mujahideen.

Mumbai Crime Branch has made Sadiq Sheikh as main conspirator of all blasts in recent past in the country. Mechanical engineer by profession, 38-year-old Sadiq Sheikh is the founder member of Indian Mujahideen, according to Mumbai police. He with the help of his Pakistani friend Amir Raza hatched the conspiracy of blasts in the country. Atif Ameen who was killed in the Batla House encounter had close contact with Sheikh. Police says Sheikh is involved in all blasts in the country since 2005. He went to Pakistan in 2001 and got training in fire arms and weapons. After that he sent several youths from Mumbai and Azamgarh to Pakistan for similar training. There are 54 cases against Sheikh in Ahmedabad, Surat, Delhi, Hyderabad, Kolkata and Mumbai. He has also been accused along with his nine friends for July 11 2006 Mumbai local train bombings. He was arrested under MCOCA and in confession he admitted his role in the train bombings. The confession was telecast by some TV channels. After that the Mumbai Crime Branch handed over the case to Maharashtra ATS. ATS immediately appealed to court to ban media from publishing stories about it. The court accepted the appeal. The ATS gave clean chit to Sadiq Sheikh and told MCOCA court that he had no role in the July 2006 train bombings but he confessed about it under pressure from Atif Ameen (who was killed in police encounter in Batla House on September 19, 2008). The ATS, however, did not give details as to when and why Atif threatened Sheikh when according to police Atif was junior to Sheikh in the Indian Mujahideen.

One of the key accused for these blasts is Muhammad Saif. Hailing from Sanjarpur village in Azamgarh, Saif was doing MA in History in Delhi. He was also doing courses in English speaking and computer application. After the encounter at Batla House, the police arrested Saif from that flat. Saif, 23, is accused in 45 cases in Delhi, Jaipur, Ahmedabad and Surat. He has been charged for planting bombs in these cities.

Meanwhile, UP police has said Saif is involved in UP court blasts also. Then they took him in their custody in connection with the blasts at Sankat Mochan Mandir and railway station in Varanasi but could not charge sheet him so far in this case.

Mansoor Asghar Peerbhoy of Pune was arrested for sending mail in the name of Indian Mujahideen before the blasts. Just one month before the arresting, Peerbhoy had joined Yahoo as principal engineer with the annual salary package of Rs 19 lakh. More than 40 cases have been slapped against him in Mumbai, Ahmedabad, Surat, Delhi and Hyderabad for blast conspiracy and cyber crime.

Mufti Abul Bashar was arrested jointly by Gujarat Police and UP ATS from his Beenapara village in Azamgarh on August 14, 2008 but his arresting was shown from Charbagh Railway Station in Lucknow and he was declared as the mastermind of Ahmedabad blasts and chief of Indian Mujahideen. He is facing 40 cases in Ahmedabad, Surat, Hyderabad and Balgam.

Qayamuddin Kapadia was arrested early January 2009 in Madhya Pradesh but his family members say they had no contact with him for five months before his arresting. Charges against him include his being senior member of SIMI, holding terror training camps in the jungles of Gujarat and Kerala and conspiring for blasts in Ahmedabad, Surat and Delhi. He is facing 40 cases in different states.

The 38-year-old Arif Badruddin Sheik of Asroli village in Azamgarh is being described by the Mumbai police as expert of bomb making. Father of 3 Sheikh has been accused for all terror blasts since 2005 in the country. Arif‘s father was mentally challenged. A couple of months after the arresting he died. His mother is blind and living with her daughter-in-law in a dilapidated house in the village. He is also facing 41 cases in Mumbai, Delhi, Ahmedabad and Surat.

Saifur Rahman was arrested by Madhya Pradesh ATS from Jabalpur in April 2009 when he was taking his sister from Azamgarh to her in-laws in Mumbai. They were travelling in Godan Express. ATS kept her sister also in custody for 12 hours. Saifur Rahman has been accused for blasts in Jaipur and Ahmedabad. He confessed his involvement in the blasts before the Magistrate in Bhopal but retracted before the Jaipur magistrate saying he was under pressure from Madhya Pradesh ATS. He told the Jaipur magistrate that ATS tortured him and threatened to rape her sister who was in their custody. Then Jaipur ATS requested the Jaipur court for narco test on Saifur Rahman but court declined.

There was a dramatic turn in the Jaipur blast case when an accused Shahbaz Hussain pleaded the court to order narco and other test on him so that he could be proved innocent. This was the first instance in the history of the country that an accused himself was demanding narco test on him. Prosecution opposed the demand and thus the court rejected Hussain’s appeal.

These are some prominent names among the 200 people arrested in recent months in connection with terrorism. The number of absconders in these cases is higher than those arrested. The police and government have severely violated human rights in these cases.

Cases have been mounted upon Muslim youths after their arresting. It is rare in the history of the country. Sadiq Sheikh is facing 54 serious cases and police has not yet taken him on remand in many of these cases. If police takes him on police remand for 14 days it will take 2 years for all cases. And taking an accused from one state to another will take more time. It can be guessed how much time it will take from filing chargesheet to completion of trial. It is necessary for an accused to be present during trial, according to Indian law.

There are reports that these accused have been assaulted even in jails apart from what they suffered in police custody and some more charges added to the list of cases. In Gujarat now these accused are facing 36 cases – one case added after they were assaulted in Sabarmati jail.

On mounting of cases on terror accused, Manisha Sethi, leader of Jamia Solidarity Group, says: “by this the government wants to complicate the case so that it could absolve itself from its responsibility and has an excuse to torment Muslims.” “Imported concept of War on Terror is being encouraged by the Congress and it is using it as a weapon against the Muslims,” says Manisha who teaches comparative study of religions at Jamia Millia Islamia.

Sanjarpur Sangharsh Samiti president Masihuddin says that the natural life time will not be enough for the accused to prove themselves innocent.

Advocate Shahid Azmi, who is taking the case of Sadiq Sheikh and other accused on behalf of Jamiat Ulema-I-Hind sees a well thought out conspiracy against Muslims. According to him, this is a conspiracy to spoil the life of educated Muslim youths in jails. Such technique was used against Naxalites also. Many of them are in jails for last 30 years and are facing 70-80 cases” he says.

Rajiv Yadav, Joint Secretary, UP chapter of People’s Union for Civil Liberties, says: This style has been imported from America where this was used against Blacks. Either they were slapped with a number of cases or were awarded sentences of 200 or 250 years in jail.

Families and relatives of the accused are speechless seeing the gravity and number of cases.

Cases against terror accused in different places

Name Ahmedabad Surat Delhi Mumbai Jaipur Others Total
Sadiq

Sheikh

20 15 5 1 Hyd, Kol 54
Arif Badr 20 15 5 1 41
Mansoor

Peerbhoy

20 15 5 1 41
Md Saif 20 15 5 5 45
Mufti Abul
Bashar
21 15 Belgam, Hyd. 40
Saifur Rahman 20 15 6 40
Qayamuddin

Kapadia

21 15 5 Indore 40
Jawed Ahmed
Sagir Ahmed
21 15 36
Ghyasuddin 21 15 36
Zakir A Haq
Sheikh
20 15 1 36
Saqib Nisar 20 15 5 40
Zeeshan 20 15 5 40

The police have also broken records in filing charge sheets. The police have filed 60,000-page chargesheet in 35 cases of Ahmedabad and Surat. Mumbai Crime Branch has filed 1800-page chargesheet. Similarly Jaipur has filed 12,000-page chargesheet in 8 cases. All charge sheets are in Hindi, Gujarati or Marathi. If case reaches Supreme Court, translation of these charge sheets will be another expensive and time taking job.

Cases and Chargsheets in different cities

Cities No. of cases No. of accused No. of arrested Pages of chargsheet
Ahmedabad
& Surat
36 102 52 60,000
Mumbai 1 26 21 1809
Jaipur 8 11 4 12,000
Delhi 7 28 16 10,000

The prosecution has also gathered a crowd as witnesses in cases. A case has 50-250 witnesses.

What is more disturbing is that many of the accused in Ahmedabad and Surat cases are those who were already in jails several months before the terror attacks took place there. For example, Safdar Nagori, former secretary, SIMI, and other 13 accused including Shibli, Hafeez and Amil Perwaz were arrested on March 27, 2008 in Madhya Pradesh. But they have been charged as main conspirators in Ahmedabad and Surat cases. Similarly, Raziuddin Nasir, Allah Bakhsh and Mirza Ahmed are in Karnataka police custody since January 2008 but they also have been accused in Ahmedabad and Surat cases.

Advocate Shahid Azmi says charge of conspiracy is a weapon that police uses to implicate anyone in any case. Talking to Afkar-e-Milli he revealed: “Afzal Muttalib Usmani whose arresting was shown in Mumbai on September 24 was actually arrested on August 27 from Lok Manya Tilak Terminus. Afzal was coming from his hometown Mau on Godan Express to appear in a different case in Mumbai. We informed concerned authorities about this through telegram but it was ignored. On 28 August he was presented before the 37 Metropolitan Magistrate in Mumbai but on the direction of Crime Branch court did not register his arresting or remand. Similarly Sadiq Sheikh was arrested on August 17 but his arresting was shown with explosives and arms along with five others on August 24.”…

Advocates admit that no trial in these cases will take less than 2 years. It will be much longer as several individuals are accused in different cases at different places.

The question is how long an old father will struggle for the release of his son. It is around one year when they were arrested but neither charges were framed nor trial started. How much time they will need to prove their innocence? Given the pace of judicial process, will they be alive to see the result of the case? This is not the question of a Sadiq Sheikh, Mufti Abul Bashar Mansoor Asghar, Arif Badr or Saifur Rahman but of the 200 youths who are in jails for the last one year.

(The article was originally published in the August 2009 issue of Urdu monthly Afkar-e-Milli)

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Terrorrism & Islam

Dear Gopi Thomas;
I would like to bring your notice in the history. Kindly read about the World History and Islamic History if you analyze history you could understand what the root cause of Terrorism.
I was born in Hindu Family in Alappuzha District, Kerala and I Was an active member in RSS till December 2001. In our RSS Shaka (training) we are reading some Islamic books (Malayalam translation of Maudoodi published by Islamic Publishing House-Calicut) for encouraging our members in RSS against Muslim. At last I went Calicut and visit IPH stall (run by Jamaa ate Islami Kerala) and I brought many books and started to read, within one year I could complete all books I brought from IPH. ‘Thanks God’ I realized Islam is the right path and I embraced Islam on December 2001 at Central Jumaa Mosque in Alappuzha. So my Friend Gopi Thomas also will find his right path very soon.
We all praying for you. I like to advice please read Islamic literatures and Quran tanslations.
‘ May God bless you’

rahamathulla- also read KUMARANASANs "DURAVASTHA"

Rahamathulla, Why don't you read the Malayalam poem "DURAVASTHA" by the eminent Malayalam poet KUMARANASAN written in 1922 and then comment on Islam& Terrorism rather than read IPH books. Javed Ghulam Sheikh alias Pranesh Kumar Pillai was also from KERALA and he was shot in GUJARAT with TWO PAKIS TERRORIST and ISHARAT JAHAN. So much for neo-converts from KERALA

thugs embracing islam

Lot of them have done after Sept 2001.

What is next

Why you stopped this series. You must continue this kind of articles.

"Terrorism" versus "Terrorist"--How you can differentiate

"Terrorism" is always a hot topic for discussions and different people have different ideology about this term. Definitely I am not going to talk about the terrorism but I am going to share my experience of defending those, who were labelled as "Terrorists" by the police and who have spent or spending their lives in a place where we can't even imagine to stay for a second. Being a Lawyer I had got an opportunity in the year 2001 to conduct terror related cases and since then I have provided and still providing legal aid and conducting trial of about more than 100 accused\prisoners and have handled even numbers of cases so far and also a defence counsel in "BATLA HOUSE ENCOUTER" and related cases and accused spreading different states. My experience is that "benefit of doubt" which is always given to the accused in our legal system has different application when it comes to terror related cases, the accused are convicted while giving benefit of doubts to the prosecution and it will not be out of place to mention that in this types of cases the burdon of proving innocence lies on the accused whereas in other cases it is for the prosecution to prove its case beyond reasonable doubt. You people knows about encounter but I also witness "Judicial Encounter" which is much more serious in nature. My observations are based on actual experience, which I want to share with you to let you know that how hard life becomes when you are labelled as "terrorist" and there is no justice for you.

i. People are languished in jail for more than the period of maximum sentence in case they are held guilty and courts appear to be instrumental in the hands of the prosecuting agencies. Dilatory tactics are always used by the prosecution to keep a prisoner in jail on one and other pretext. The average period of trial of a case is between 5-7 years and some times it goes up to 8-10 years and there are few more case in my knowledge which pertain to the year 1996-1997 and still pending and all the accused are in Jail. This is the same country where its Supreme Court in number of cases has held that " JUSTICE DELAYED IS JUSTICE DENIED" and has also held "right to speedy trial is fundamental right" and its denial is violative of Article 21 of the Constitution and it is very astonishing that in the same country, the lower trial courts which are bound by the law laid down by the Supreme Court are denying justice to the accused.

ii. "Ignorance of Law" is no excuse, which means that if you don't know that murder is an offence and commit murder, you cannot say that you did not know it to be an offence and claim innocence, but I noticed during the trial of a case involving Explosive Substances Act that not only the Trial Court and even high court have completely shown "ignorance of law" while deciding the cases. Explosive Substances Act was amended in the year 2002, Section 7 of the act, provides that "No court shall proceed to the trial of the accused except with the consent of the District Magistrate". But it is very surprizing that trial courts, high court even defence counsels have badly failed to appreciate that there was no sanction from the District Magistrate and the accused were convicted. I raised this issue during the trial of a case and the accused was acquitted after having spent exactly five years in jail and thereafter, the police and the Govt. of Delhi woke up and they started filling fresh sanctions from competent authority in all pending cases of similar nature, this fact shows that there is no application of mind while convicting the accused, so, where is the delivery of fair and impartial justice because a mistake can be committed only once or twice but when it is repeated its a habit.

iii. The role of investigating agency is to collect evidence and to forward the accused which those evidence to the Court for verdict. But in our country the role of police is to "create" evidence and innocent persons are being convicted on created evidence. I put question to you people, How many of you will say that our police is honest, disciplined and reliable. When it comes to you the police is dishonest, when you are fined, challaned and even arrested, the police is corrupt and you have been framed and when it comes to a person whose name is Abdul, Karim or Latif you start saying he is terrorist and police has acted rightly and has arrested right person, please think again. The charge sheet speaks for it self and even an average prudent person after having seen the same would definitely say that "HE IS INNOCENT" but we have faith in the Judiciary and will continue to have the same in future no matter what happens next.

I have lot of things to say but time is not permitting me to do the same, so next time, I will share some more facts, till then bye.

Yes - Terrorist are made and NOT born. nor are rapist, theif

All i can say is YOU ARE 1 "IGNORANT FOOL". When Mohammad was preaching the teachings of Islam, he had only a few hundred followers without a place of their own. That phrase that you have quoted is misunderstood. That phrase only becomes active during war and oppression.

state terrorism is increasing

This is very good article on this topic. there are so many accused who have discharged by court after seven or eight year but society treat them as a terrorist.

DISCRIMINATION

IT IS REPEATED AGAIN AND AGAIN. NOT ONLY MUSLIMS EVEN SIKHS ARE DISCRIMINATED. 1984 DELHI RIOT, GUJARAT RIOT AFTER GODHRA ETC. PROVES POLITICAL PARTIES RULING INDIA ORGANIZE RIOTS AGAINST MINORITIES AND TAKE HELP OF ADMINISTRATIVE AUTHORITIES TO HARASS MINORITIES. IN FACT GOVERNANCE IS IN FAVOR OF BRAHMINS AND HIGHER HINDU CASTES. IT IS A MATTER OF SHAME BUT TRUE.

Terrorism is the creation of Authority

If Muslims become terrorists, it is due to the illegal attitude of the Police and army. Police killed hundreds of Muslims without any cause. Disappearence of Muslim youths occured not because of any divine calamity, but because of brutual killings of Police. (Batla House is one of the sample)

Army raped Muslim women in Kashmir (Sophian is a simple recent sample. In this situation more and more muslims will become 'terrorists'. They have no choice.

First punish the culprits among Police, army and authority including the devil Modi who caused the death of thousands of Muslims in Gujarath.

Just shouting 'terrorism' will not solve the problem. True Muslims will not afraid of these threatenings of authority. They afraid of God. They will never do evils. They will respect law and order. Take the Madhu Mishra case. Two innocents were hunted by authority. Now by the mercy of Court they came out. But the bloody Police and other criminals got no punishment.

The two young engineers lost their life. If they explode themselves and revenge against the authority, who should be blamed.

Instead of sitting in the throne, Prime Minister, President, CJI and Member of Parliments should apologize to the Muslim community. Muslim community is not a prey to be hunted. If you didn't understand the devilishness you are propagating or allowing, the aftermate will not be peaceful.

PRATHIBA -it was MUSLIM JK police raped Shopian women

Prathiba- When did army men rape women in Shopian?? It has been proved beyond doubt that it was Muslim JK POLICE MEN who raped the women at Shopian.

"In this situation more and more muslims will become 'terrorists'". By all means become TERRORIST and rest of India will be mighty pleased to kick all MUSLIMS. I hope PRATHIBA is aware that there was no Security Forces in Kashmir except along the border with Pakistan till 1989 and internal security was looked after by JK Police. The Kashmiri Muslims picked up AK47 with PAKI assistance in 1989 and that is when they started getting "kicked around" by Security Forces and it has NOT stopped till today.

By all means MUSLIMS of AZAMGARH or MALAPURAM are free to become terrorist and give an opportunity to the Security Forces to kick them too. Remember, even PAKI ARMY couldn't defeat India and so they instigated Kashmir violence. Muslims will never ever succeed in doing anything to India except bring on agony on themselves by becoming terrorist.

PRATHIBA -it was MUSLIM JK police raped Shopian women

Anon,

You wrote as if the newspaper reports areeee true. To majority of India, a previous day newspaper becomes a hard proof though the report in question might be just rantings of communal and criminal like Balbirr Pung. Do not go beyond the borders. To be true and blunt, we had many bloody noses and if Kashmeer is a problem we did Bangladesh. This very Bangladesh is now a big problem. Even Nepal has become problem for us. Now, stop this self righteous sermon and come to term with reality. India cannot be classified as a super power just by showing how much illeterates are there in Pakistan, how many honour killings are happening or how much extremism there is. In trying to score brownie points we have messed up so well that India has outshone Pakistan on all these accounts. It is said that a proud and mature person would not look down on poors and weaks to show his/her stature but India is hypenating with every country around it be it Pakistan, Bangladesh or Nepal. No no, I haven't lost sight of China. India seem to readily agree to any claim by China except the separately stamped visa because Kashmeeris not able to travel to China is considered a problem of them and not of India. Had India allowed their paper stamps while simultaneously lodging a firm complaint with China, it could have made India better claimant on Kashmeer. More than accusing others, India needs statemen and not import of criminal technology from USA and Israel. The security of these two countries is for all to see.

twocircles.net is true to

twocircles.net is true to its name and keeps going round in circles as it spins conspiracy theories, half or quarter truths, biased views and pseudo information. For every terror suspect, who bears a Muslim name, this website and its editor jumps to his defense. Its not a media product, it's rather like a rag run by a typical fundamentalist organisation.

If this site is no good,

If this site is no good, ignore it. Why are you visiting it, reading it, getting disturbed and finally taking the effort to comment. For every one of you-grumpy communal minded ignoramus, there are scores of people deeply disturbed by the travesty of justice taking place all over India, whose angst is given a voice here.

state terrorism

Unfortunately, most of the terrorist acts in todays world, are conducted by (may eb misled, misguided) muslims. The tarile xtends all over - PAkistan being a breeding ground as well as a victim, Saudi, US, India, Somalia, Sudan . Many countries are ravaged by terrorism - PAkistan, Sudan, Somalia.. India should never eb allowed to be a playground of these maniacs.

However, one should be careful not to blame ones or one groups' guilt to a "collective" guilt.

By publishing these types of articles, defending and shedding tears of terrorists about their rights (which they all have), it really creates an opposite result -- individual guilt becomes collective guilt from a reader's perspective.

Rather than questioning the arrests; the focus should be on fast legal action or creating a fast track system for trying these cases. Indian courts are backlogged; focus should be on fast trials, rather than questioning why somebody is arrested. Indians have legal rights and can always resort to the system.

Terrorists are not born,they are made?

Terrorists and fundamentalist are not born,they are made.They are made by our syatem,made by Govt.apathy and discriminations against them.
Unfortunately all terrorists in the world are made by America and its vicious policies towards the third world countries.Afghanistan, Pakistan, and J&K are samples.
What do you advice to those whose father, mothers or any relative was brutually murderd in Gujrat by Modi and its associates and same murderers are ruling the state?

What will you do when your father,and brother are murderd and your mother and sister are reped infront of you and the same rapists rule the state?? Will you be calm and behave like there is nothing happend? Is there anything wrong if you become emotional and behave like a so called terrorist?

Thomas, you have not seen those voilence,atrocities and rape commited by our police forces with the help of government.

Please try to read the psychology of those people whose any close relative is murdered in fake encounter by police or murdered in communal riots with patronage of people like Modi,Bal thakery etc.

May God help you to think over it rather react unnecessary!

All the best.

Yes - Terrorist are made and NOT born. nor are rapist, theif

Some Terrorist are made by the system but Islamic Terrorist are made by the teaching of MUHAMMAD and QUR'AN. Qur'an justifies killing of non-believers in Surah 8/12 – Al-Anfal, Surah 9/29-At- Tawhah, Surah 47/4- Muhammad etc.

Why don't you talk about GODRA massacre too while talking of GUJRATH or do you insist it was also handiwork of RSS? Hindus have just commenced retaliating after being subjugated by MUSLIMs for about 800 years and British Christians for another 150 years. The MUSLIMS who initiated violence is more responsible in GUJRAT than those who replayed with violence.

Rape? Which rape? Shopian Rape? It was perpetrated by KASHMIRI MUSLIM POLICE as has been stated by Kashmir Courts. Rape would be one of the oldest crimes committed by Human kind and even the enlightenment of QUR'AN hasn't stopped MUSLIM father-in-law from raping own daughter-in-law and what did MUDLIM MAULAVI say- "divorce the son and marry the father-in-law".

Read also the psychology of ordinary people killed by Islamic Terrorist on the streets of India. If police/Army are the culprit why don't the terrorist attack the police rather than the ordinary people on the street????

Why America put India in watch list?

I lie, you lie.You read the police theory and I read the common man theory.
What about America? Why America put India in Its watch list despite that India is always ready to say YES BOSS to America?

Please go through these two links, you will find answer of your own questions..

http://www.twocircles.net/2009aug13/us_body_accuses_india_failing_protec...

http://www.twocircles.net/2009aug12/us_body_places_india_watch_list_fail...

Islamic terrorist are

Islamic terrorist are created by Islam. it has nothing to do with poverty,babri,Gujarat,America,coco-cola,....etc.
It's time Indian Muslims accept Indian religions.
www.faithfreedom.org

Hindutva Joker is explaining Hinduism

The difference between you and I is that you cannot explain what you yourself write. Then to hide this, you bring irrelevant and often fraudulent clippings from dubious sites like faithfreedom and ask me to explain it !

You have a chip on the shoulder about being Hindu, so I recommend you to convert.

Hindutva Hindu, it is not my problem that you cannot match me. I am Pandit , I understand your Hindu psyche well. Let us look at the record.

Instead of accepting the failure, it becomes a case of false Hindu pride. You bring irrelevant diversions about America, Pakistan, and Hindu dharma and faith and freedom - and then you complain I am maintaing deft silence on these !

Your Hindu dharma has twisted your character, that is why I recommended conversion.

I understand your problem. You know you do not have the substance to refute me, you wish to withdraw but without losing your Hindu face. The question is how.

It is inadmissible that Hindutva is Hindu fascism and it has instigated divisive forces in India.

Chanakya niti denies the need for any morality in human affairs. This is in your Hindu upbringing.

Your godesses also cannot uplift your character. Kali is presented as an ogre with blood dripping from the tongue. Thugees are followers of Kali.

Hindus are always reading my writing and replying. So is it, sub-standard or magnetic ?

Hindutva Hindu, in your rage, you did not read and understand what I wrote. Where did I agree that a mob from outside threw the petrol ?

The Ahmedabad Forensic Lab. says that the petrol was spilt from inside - therefore I said it was not due to an external mob. I asked whether it is right for a govt. to send a Hindu mob equipped with trishuls on a train. When I asked whether Muslims will be allowed to wear a green head band and go with swords in a train, it is a rhetorical question, no one was asking to do the same - you jahil, read and think !

wikipedia is not a reliable source for contentious issues as the general public can write there, and people with a vested interest will do everything to obfuscate. Oddly enough the disintegrative forces in India stem from the Hindus. It is a characterstic habit for such Hindus to shout fealty to the nation while breaking it up. The Chinese have noted your Hindu character.

In all these debates, the BJP Hindus want to combat 'Muslim terrorism', but they want freedom to excercise Hindu mob terrorism against minorities.

Thus, BJP Hindu supports Modi because he SAYS he is standing up for Hindus. All he has done is find a way to get re-elected by stoking Hindu communalism. Modi knows this is a Hindu weakness which can be tapped.

The BJP demolsihed the Babari masjid and the VHP collected money from foolish Hindu NRIs to build a Ram mandir. The temple was not built, and never will be.

Where has the money gone ? It has been eaten by these Hindu frauds.

After the Ram mandir, the next topic was saving Hindus from the jihadis. But due to the BJP, more Hindus have been killed. Some of the Hindus have realised this; but still, there are these Hindus like Pushkar and Gopi Thomas who cling to the BJP out of some vague sense of Hindu pride. It is difficult for some to admit they made a mistake about the BJP.

On the subject of Hinduism, I am a nonpareil. That is whay people call me Pandit .

No one from across the border incited Khalistanis. They became involved later. The problem was started by the Hindus when they declared the Sikhs are Hindus and Hindi and not Punjabi is the language of the Sikhs. It is tantamount to suppressing the Sikh identiity.

The Sikhs are not like the Hindus, they form a community with an identiity and they have self-respect. Hindus have created rifts with Sikhs, Muslims and Christians.

You are the core of the problem in India. That is what the evidence indicates. Either reform or convert

RSS HIndu, if Hindus have suffered, you must investigate their karma. Everything follows the law of karmic recompense. Punishment may be deferred to the next life often.

However, if you transgress too much, Lord Vishnu might intervene in this life and you will face the consequences now.

The Muslims and British had to come to clear the adharma created by the Brahmins with their caste system. The Rajputs were fighting between themselves when the Muslims came.

Had the Muslims and Biritsh not come, you would not have the country today called India with capital in Delhi. So come to terms with the reality.

BJP Hindu, you are following Hindu adharma. Lord Vishnu is taking corrective measures. So either follow your religion correctly (as Dr. Naik often says), or convert (as Pandit Antichaddhiwaa recommends).

Avoid falling into the hands of the BJP, as then you will promote idolatry, casteism and communalism, which have taken their toll on India.

Modi brought adharma and ill luck to India. Lord Vishnu has come to correct the adharma. How are the two equal ?

As Naik says, we only request Hindus to follow your religion.

You do not know much about Hindusim. I had to tell you about who is a swarna and a sudra. You did not read the Ramayana and know the story of Shambuga.

You probably do not know that Vishnu will descend when there is adharma. So don't be an ingrate. Learn to appreciate those who understand your religion.

Advani organised a Hindu mob to demolish a mosque, and Hindu mobs killed Muslims with the support of Hindu police. Then if the Muslims kill Hindus, is it a case of 'you follow me, and submit' ? Don't lie. You did something wrong, so when Hindus get killed, it is the rewards for your karma.

Vishnu has come to correct adharma. First learn the basics of your religion and follow it.

When you do not know about Hinduism, why are you bothered about preserving it ? In Kashmir, the people want freedom from Hindu tyranny. They fight the Indian army.

I am not clear about the purpose of you message. If two parties are fighting a war, for whatever reason, generally both try the element of surprise.

When Shiva Bhonsale fought Aurangazeb, he also gave no notice. Shiva agreed to meet Afzal Khan, who came unarmed. Shiva used a secret tiger claw to kill him. This episode of treachery is cited as Hindu heroism.

Indeed, the Hindus call this bandit a Chattrapati and they named Bombay airport after him ! Such is the Hindu inferiority complex that they call any thug a hero.

Returning to the present day, when Hindus bring adharma to India, Vishnu will come in many forms (such as Kasab) to right matters. Get it ?

Indeed, in the last election, we see an improvement in the Hindus. A few more interventions by Vishnu will bring mental equlibrium to the Hindus.

Either you have to take guidance from Pandit antichaddhiwala, or from Vishnu. Pandit antichaddhiwala will use words, Vishnu will use the bamboo and have you slain.

This is what Advani did in the 1990s. He raised Hindu mobs to attack Muslims for a political goal : to bring BJP and Hindutva politics to the fore. It fits your western description of terrorism.

Using Hindu idiom, it brought adharma. Vishnu therefore intervenes as Kasab. The forces of adharma in India are being slain.

RSS Hindu, I know what is HIndu dharma, but I would not say it is great. But I want to know whether you know what it is. Neither you nor any other BJP Hindu can write a decent paragraph about it.

Quite a lot has been written on Hinduism - by me.

Ambedkar notes that the Hindu is the only one in India who cannot explain what his beliefs are. You are the proof.

How can you save Hindu dharma when you cannot define what it is ?

You say the above is Hindu dharma. So you are saying Hindus like to live on your fabrications of Islam ?

Still, you are unable to say what is Hindu dharma. You copy something from a hate site, which is written in poor language by someone too eager to vilify by any means, and you add that Hindu dharma is different !

If you do not know what is Hindu dharma, then you read my publications on it and learn.

terrorists are made/born

I can innately understand the psychology of a son avenging his father's death or a father avenging his son's death - although I personally do not agree.

But those type of "terrorists" (and I can agree with you they are not terrorists, or they were the results of an action by police) are far few and in between.

The majority of terrorists are people who fight for some other cause, mainly to do with distant lands or internal feud.

What causes Muslims (some) from Kannur in kerala planning bombs, getting trained in PAkistan, going to KAshmir and blowing up??
There is no discrimination against Muslims in KAnnur or Kerala, whatever discrimination there is, everybody else also faces in one way or other - rich vs poor, caste vs caste, tribals etc.
Anybody who is discriminated do not blow up people!

US has not brought terrorism. It is fundamentalist Muslim Wahabis with their outdated ideas on education, women, progress. It was for a while promoted by Pakistan against India. now PAkistan is consumed by these terrorists, they are taking the country down.

Muslims (Hindus, christians, others) all will be better off if they focus on education, and participate in nation building. Muslims have to reconcile the concept of Umma with the concept of nation-state. They have not been able to do this; their leaders have not tried to reconcile this, the education (primarily in North India) is through MAdrasas that do not prepare students other than Koran..Education is the leveler; if i were a Muslim leader, i will make sure anybody with a decent brain get educated to the fullest, become teachers, accountants, lawyers, doctors, businessmen, writers etc.. Then they will be free of these demons that somebody is after them

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