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Quiet but tense situation in Dhule
Submitted by Anonymous on 10 October 2008 - 11:05pm.
Mahmood Madani looking at the damage done at Dhule [Photo: Aurangabad Times]
By Md. Ali, TwoCircles.net,
Patna: Dhule, Maharashtra remained quite today. There were no reports of any violence or rioting today even as the administration relaxed the curfew for three hours.
Violence broke out on October 5, 2008 on the issue of a provocative poster pasted in the area. According to administration 10 people have lost their lives in the violence.
TwoCircles.net talked to Sarfaraz a resident of the area and an ssociate of Movement for Peace and Justice. He said that rioting happened on a large scale and soon spread to the rural areas of Dhule. In the city, displaced Muslims are taking shelter in the National School. Relief camp set up in the school is housing more than two thousand people. People who are taking shelter here are fearful, informed Sarfaraz.
Mahmood Madani looking at the damage done at Dhule [Photo: Aurangabad Times]
He also informed TCN that it is only after the visit of some political leaders and ministers that the police have started to register FIR in the relief Camp. Prominent leaders who visited the riot affected areas are Arun Bhai, the state chief of the Nationalist Congress Party and Anees Ahmad who is a state minister.
Talking about the situation now, Sarfaraz said that it is very tense. He took pains to point out that although the government data shows only 10 persons as killed during and after the riots but the numbers is no less than 40-45 and maybe "much more".
The reason, he pointed out is that the rioting was much worse in the nearby villages where "we can not dare visit because there the Muslims were out rightly eliminated. Their every sign and symbol is it religious economic or social were wiped off the map. There are some areas where they bulldozed the mosques, looted the houses and shops and burnt them. We can not trust the administration because we saw with our eyes how it sided with those who orchestrated the riot. So they won't ever tell how many died and who killed the Muslims in those areas."
He said that he witnessed many incidents of partiality of the administration.
He informed that the Civil Surgeon of the Government hospital clearly said that all those injured and seriously injured who visited private clinics won't be entered in the government account of cases. Pointing out its politics he said that all the public hospitals are in the Hindu dominated areas where the rioters used to identify the Muslims and beat them mercilessly.
So a large section of Muslim resorted to the private clinics run by Muslims or some Trust.
Sarfaraz who is also a doctor who was with his namesake activist of MPJ alleged that the Bohra Society clinic which he visited faced medicine crisis but even after many pleadings from the clinic to the public hospital the Civil Surgeon didn't respond and sent medicines only after two days. He informed that the clinic saw more than 350 people with minor injuries and is still treating 50 people with serious injuries.
He specially highlighted the destructive role played by the vernacular media particularly electronic media. He named Dhule TV which ran the wrong stories of rape of Hindu girls and killing of Hindu people in the Muslim areas to inflame the passions. He said that had the electronic media not run rumors and concocted stories the riot would not have gone this much far.
Yesterday, Rajya Sabha MP Mahmood Madani visited riot affected areas of Dhule and severly criticized the district administration for its anti-Muslim actions. He demanded the State Government to suspend district officials and punish them for failing to protect lives and property. Madani announced that Jamiat Ulama-i-Hind will donate Rs. 5 lakhs for relief of the victims.
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Reply to my friend Mr A.K Singh
The irony is that only leaders from the minority communities are doing something for India !!
Let me state it up front again - the main obstacle to India becoming a developed nation is the fact that Hindus are today producing sub-standard leaders - all castesists and communalists.
You tell us that every country has a problem like caste/class. You make glib comparisons between UK, where Protestants and Catholics are fighting in Belfast, and in Pakistan where sunnis and shias fight. No one denies that in the Christian and Islamic worlds also, divisions exist, and people also fight.
The Protestant movement was initiated by Martin Luther to fight the corruption of the Popes in Rome, and the doctrine of infalliability of the Pope. So I can see reason in it.
The difference between the Shias and Sunnis is that the former feel that the Prophet s relatives should have inherited the leadership of Islam, while the latter hold that over-glorification of the Prophet and his relatives would lead to a corruption of the pristine principle of one God as there is a danger that it will bring in deification of the Prophet or his relatives.
So the dispute is over a principle which one side holds feels will get corrupted, while the other feels that Muslims should have a special love for the Prophet and his descendants. I can see both points of view have some merit although I favour maintaining the purity of the concept of One God, without partners.
While in Islam and Christianity there have been struggles over what is seen as a corruption of principles, in Hinduism, the problem is that it is based on a very degrading principle !
I refer to the system of graded inequality – caste by birth. Untouchablity is a Hindu invention. It is the Muslims and Christians who have helped remove it from India.
You inform us that casteism can be got rid of only by going to the basics of Hinduism. I say that casteism is the basis of Hinduism and it is tied with the doctrine of reincarnation – a sudra is a sudra because of sins in a past life.
Hinduism cannot exist without casteism. You do not understand the reality of Hinduism if you think otherwise - you are talking about a virtual Hinduism !
In your previous letter, you made some remark about the tolerance of Hindus that I ignore.
You said that India is ruled by a Sikh PM and a Muslim President, and the Hindus are not pissed off.
Yes, while I laud Drs. Singh and Kalam for their knowledge and commitment to make India a strong and prosperous nation, they cannot challenge Hindu criminality.
Dr. Singh cannot get the butchers of the Sikhs behind bars; Kalam went to Gujarat but could not say that the guilty like Modi should be tried. Why ?
Because Hindu tolerance cannot stomach Hindus being pronounced guilty.
In the half century after independence, Hindus have used state power and repeatedly commited atrocities against Muslims, Sikhs and Christians – with impunity.
So what is the point of claiming Hindu tolerance ?
And I forgot – Hindu intolerance to Hindus, namely the Dalits. It is a Hindu conceit that they are more tolerant than others. There is no evidence for it.
Today the majority community, the Hindus, have no leaders who command respect. Once there were people of stature like Nehru and Gandhi.
The irony is that today those who have a vision about economic development and outline technological targets to make a India a superpower are leaders from the minority community – Drs. Singh and Kalam. You can add Sonia as well.
Hindus are producing Advanis and Modis who are busy promoting divisions between Indians. For Hindu leaders, the future is the past - they want to defeat Babar ! Their horizons are limited to a temple for a mythological figure !!
Hindus should be ashamed that the only people who are doing something to make India a superpower are drawn from the minority communities.
A country that is going to make an impact should have quality leaders from the majority community.
The minorities cannot transform India, when the majority wallows in casteism and communalism. The country is at an impasse because the Hindu upper castes produce rotten leaders like Advani and Modi and the lower castes are excluded.
For you, indians are divided between hindus, muslims and christians and hindus in turn to so called brahmins, obcs and SCs. For me they are all Indians. All I am asking is unity in Indians, whether you are hindu, muslim or christian.
The trouble with Hindus like you is your doublespeak. You had the cheek to tell me that BJP was the only nationalistic party around. You want to break masjids, burn missionaries, murder the Sikhs and ask the minorities to swear they are patriotic Indians !
While you display some culture and breeding in your writing style, this Hindu duplicity still remains.
Finally, do not accuse me of being anti-Hindu. It is a weak line. I am just being objective.
AK SIngh, the subject here is not your picture of God,
A.k Singh, you sound disoriented.
What is your problem anyway ? Nobody is forcing you to convert. We only recommend you to convert, seeing what Hinduism has made out of you.
Well, I am not against you for believing this. But then why do you have an inferiority complex about your beliefs ? Why do you pose such a question ?
No Muslim will ask you what is wrong if we believe in One God. It looks like you know it is silly to make an elephant headed monster as an image of God, immerse it in the water, and then sweep away the boken remains into the dustbin. Then you ask 'what is wrong with it ?'. If there is nothing wrong, you should not ask. Anyway, please yourself with your religion.
The subject here is not your picture of God but why Hindu terrorist organisations like VHP and RSS have created pogroms against Muslims, Sikhs and Christians and why the state gives immunity to Hindu criminals, and undermines India.
On Gujarat, so far you have been hiding your support for Hindu criminality with the plea that Hindus indulged in barbaism only because Muslims the train in Godhra.
Now, the tehelka tapes show the pogrom was pre-planned and the Hindus who raped boasted about it. Haren Pandaya's father has said his son was assasinated by Modi, and again the blame was put on Muslims.
Does your religion then endorse rape and murder ? Or are you going to ask "What is wrong in raping and murdering, as long as we can pin the blame on someone else ?"
Hinduism as projected by you seems to be 'anything goes'.
Act before it is too late
This is the truth that government and media is covering up. If VHP, RSS, Bajrang dal, Shiv Sena, etc are not banned, the poison will eventually spill over the hindu's too. The beasts of these extremist organizations have become so used to killing, looting, and raping, that after the termination of the minorities, they will surely turn towards thier own hindu's. But it will be too late by then to control these two legged beasts.
hindu terrorist groups have a free rein of terror
hindu terrorist groups in collaboration with police and security forces are commiting genocide and human rights violations almost everyday in india without anyone getting punished or arrested.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO KICK ALL MUSLIMS OUT OF INDIA ?
What is the solutions for Muslim problem in india.
we should thought way before 1947 after partition.who let all muslims to stay in India after partition. why they did not leave india . if they would have left india we should not having this problem anymore . they will be living peacefuly and we as well.
Reply to my Dear friend Vishnu
It is difficult to understand what an illiterate is saying.
I can tell you with confidence that Islam is growing and Hinduism is shrinking. The RSS leader Sudarshan said last year that by 2062, Hindus will be a minority in India.
What will you do then ? Your descendants will be living in a Muslim country !
RSS says Hindus will become a minority - Will you be able to send children to schools then ?!!
Vishnu, you are the finest joker in TCN.
The RSS leader Sudarshan says that Hindus will become a minority by 2062. So your children will be living in a Muslim country.
Will people be able to send children to schools or step out then ? Or will Hindus be cowering in their homes ?
Your Hindu Hitler Gowalkar advocated secondary citizenship for non-Hindus. So did Hindutva ideologue Savarkar. So the Muslims demanded a second country to have a second citizenship !!
So your wishes were met. Then why are you crying ? Hindus always betrayed India with their communalism.
Vishnu, yes some Muslims voted for Pakistan - because some Hindus like Gowalkar and Savarkar betrayed Bharat by creating communal divisions.
Yes, some of us stuck it out here. We do not have a problem. You have a problem. There are Muslims in Pakistan, Bangladesh and India ! We are in a good position. If this bothers you, you can also become a Muslim. Your sordid Hindu past is immediately erased.
Or you can remain Hindu, but on one condition : you do not misbehave and trouble Muslims. If you do, you know the penalty ? Minorities will **** you, full stop.
Are you feeling terrorised ?
is arabian islam going to become an archeological specimen
my dear islamic terrorist stop your illogical comments on hindu civilisation and culture.there is a saying,a leaf without weight keeps flying and such is the case with your arabian islam that produces osamas and baitullah masoods.India has always worked for communal harmony respecting all faiths.i may be a teluguwala but my faith may islam or hindu or christian but i am also an indian.if you are true follower of islam u have to be yaser arafat of palestine or the great mustapha kemal pasha of turkey donot emulate osama principles of kill and live policy.Islam is a great machine for equality. know that hindu muslim bhai. we are all one.no one can divide hindus and muslim of india. i m amuslim hindu christian at a time.that is why we are living peacefully.we love and respect azzu bhai ,rehaman,kalam saheb.ramzan is our festival. we need unity. donot try to divide hindus and muslims by misquoting hindu civilisation. after all pakistanis are former hindus who embrace islam. pakistanis are our brother though they might belong to some other faith.in india islam is great. but you are misusing it to reflect your need. la ilaha illalahu mohammadur rasullahu. jai hind, mera bharat mahan
Quiet but tense situation in Dhule
Pls stop all this nonsence stories. Only Muslims either in India or any part of world are resposible for terrors and riots. Islam means Terror only. We pray to God to get this ISLAM and its followers out of India.
WE hate this barbaric religion, which is nothing less than Arabic uncivilised imperalism and toruter and distruction of cilivised sociery.
If u have guts, pulish this comments on your website
If u have guts, pulish this comments on your website
"If u have guts, pulish this comments on your website"
If yes, then what will happen?? you are just mouth piece of real terrorsm and sitting and writing from the safest place and the same other does too.
simply you are nothing but frustrated
Dear brother, Islam doesn't
Dear brother,
Islam doesn't mean terror, infact it means Peace.. Islam condemns Terorism..
Your are praying God to get Islam out of India, but this religion is from God and you will see how Allah will prevail Islam in every field and every walks of life in India and every corner of the world..
Read and understand Islam and then comment..
Anonymous, you need to overcome your Brahmanic/Hindutva mindset
Here is a French Islamic scholar Montet who explains its success and attraction :
"Islam is a religion that is essentially rationalistic in the widest sense of this term considered etymologically and historically. The definition of rationalism as a system that bases religious belief on principles furnished by the reason applies to it exactly. It cannot be denied that many doctrines and systems of theology and also many superstitions, from the worship of saints to the use of rosaries and amulets, have become grafted on the main trunk of Muslim creed. But in spite of the rich development, in every sense of the term, of the teachings of the Prophet, the Quran has invariably kept its place as the fundamental starting point, and the dogma of unity of God has always been proclaimed therein with a grandeur, a majesty, an invariable purity and with a note of sure conviction, which it is hard to find surpassed outside the pale of Islam. This fidelity to the fundamental dogma of the religion, the elemental simplicity of the formula in which it is enunciated, the proof that it gains from the fervid conviction of the missionaries who propagate it, are so many causes to explain the success of Muhammadan missionary efforts. A creed so precise, so stripped of all theological complexities and consequently so accessible to the ordinary understanding might be expected to possess and does indeed possess a marvellous power of winning its way into the consciences of men." (Edward Montet, "La Progpagande Chretienne et ses Adversaries Musulmans" Paris 1890 quoted by T.W. Arnold in the Preaching of Islam London 1913, pp. 413-414).
The above analysis by Montet is credible because it explains why Islam is growing.
Nowadays, in the inernet many new converts have written what attracted them and the reasons given are similar to what Montet has identified. Do a search about new converts and you will see.
So Hindutva Hindu, good try at changing the subject. But let us close with the point : Hindutva is fascism, driven by Brahmins, and it has the capacity to break India. The Indian media should have done a better job in opposing it. They did not, but I think they have realized now.
As a modern Indian, I have no objection to you worshipping idols or practising your religion as you see fit. Indeed, I defend your right to do so. The opposition is to Hindutva. It comes because you want to impose your religion on others, on the excuse of correcting historical wrongs, and by defining nationhood in terms of Hinduism. In the modern world, this is not possible.
As I say, stay with your religion, but do not trouble others. If your religion troubles you, then convert.
You are welcome to join Islam, if it will help you overcome your complexes, and your inclination for backing anti-national movements in India.
Today, I read Islam is the fastest growing religion in Europe, U.K, and America. What is the reason ? It is not Arab imperialism.
In America, the first wave of converts were black. The next wave, I read is the Hispanics, especially the women. There are white intellectuals who have converted as well.
In fact, some of the best scholars of Islam today are not the Arabs, but the new converts.
In America, we have the white American Yusuf Hamza; there is also the outstanding black scholar Abu Amina Bilal Philips. In Britian, we have the singer Cat Stevens, who became Yusuf Islam. He is also a scholar.
Where is the Arab imperialism ?
You see the difference between Islam and Hinduism.
In Hinduism, you exclude people – even people who are born Hindus ! Muslims are genuinely happy when someone converts – they welcome converts, whether they are black, yellow, white. The new converts can become the scholars.
Islam is not restricted to one geographical area, it is a concept. The purity of the concept attracts people – the oneness of God, and the equality of races.
The only advantage the Arabs have over other Muslims is language. They have a better pronunciation obviously. The prayers are recited in Arabic, although now translations are available in all languages. But the Arabs have never insisted that the imams who recite the prayers have to be from them - they can be anyone from the local community.
Again, notice the difference from the Hindus, where only Brahmins can be pujaris. That is Brahmin imperialism !
Hindus r well trained to do violance is Terroism
this is thay way u treated all lower cast and other religions . Your hindu religion theach u all sepration between human(varnam)and ur gurus r make u to violate india in the way of terror.
We published ur coments
we here at TwoCircles.net are very much open to criticism. As a Muslim i strongly believe in debate and discussion. U dared us to publish ur statement which we did now kindly come and take ur check.
WITH SO MANY SPELLING
WITH SO MANY SPELLING MISTAKES YOUR RUBBISH COMMENTS ARE PUBLISHED.ISLAM DOESNOT FEAR SUCH COWARDS.NO WONDER ISLAM IS THE FASTEST GROWING RELIGION.I INVITE YOU TO STUDY ISLAM BEFORE WRITING RUBBISH COMMENTS.
WOW, u sure do have guts !,
WOW, u sure do have guts !, If U are so brave and ur hindu fanatics are so gutsy then Y the heck to hide behind the police and fight U are a bunch of Cowards !!!
Reply to the abusive comment
This is not true that only Muslims are responsible for riot, blasts. Recently two Bajarangdal activists are killed while preparing bombs in Kanpur. Same happened in Nanded. Malegaon2006 blasts gave traces of involvements of Hindu organizations. But government donot have willpower of accusing and banning Bajarangdal. Only Muslims are accused. HOW CAN A MUSLIM PLANT BOMB IN MOSQUE KILLING PEOPLE WHILE OFFERING NAMAZ?
"There isn't fair trial possible againt muslims in India" Quotation of British court while reffering to Musician Nadeem case.
WHAT ABOUT SHIAS AND SUNNIS KILLING EACH OTHER????
Dear Chandru, AREN'T SHIAS AND SUNNIS KILLING EACH OTHER IN IRAQ, (EVEN BEFORE USA INTERVENED DURING SADDAM HUSSAUNS TIME), IN PAKISTAN ETC ETC??? ISN'T SHIA AND SUNNI MUSLIMS AND WHEN THEY CAN KILL EACH OTHER WHY NOT THE SAME THING IN INDIA TO SPITE HINDUS AND CREATE COMMUNAL DIVIDE?? The fairness of British is well known to all Indians including Muslims as the pre 1947 incidents are not very old and have been well recorded. SO RELAX CHANDRU- IT'S PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO ARE THE TROJEN HORSES.
Shia Sunni problem in India (Reply to AK Singh)
There is no major Shia-Sunni problem for me to solve in India. India is my priority.
I never denied that my forefathers were Hindus. I do not have a problem with that. Nor do I have any problem with Hindus here and abroad who act as brothers - Ranbir bhai and others. I only oppose people who raise mobs, riot and commit pogroms - in India, these activities are led by Hindus.
The reality is Hindus like you give India a bad name. Example : Gujarat and Ayodhya. Media report it, so Hindus can change and improve.
Hindus like you have a choice. You can live in peace without troubling Muslims. If you trouble them, then you know what the reaction is. Conquer your desire to show you are equal to the minorities (which is really an inferiority complex), and there will be no problem.
WHAT ABOUT LUCKNOW????
Friend anonymous, If there is no MAJOR problems between shias and sunnis in India why is there riots in Lucknow every year during Muharram??? Isn't it true that Abu Bakar became the Caliph after Muhammad because he connived with his Ayesha to hold the congregation for election of Caliph when Ali, the son-in law and nephew of Muhammad and his daughter Fatima, were weeping over the dead body of Muhammad and preparing for his buriel??? Didn't the Sunnis kill all the male descendants of Muhammad at Karbala except for one male child who hid in the HARREM WITH THE WOMEN ??? SHIA AND SUNNIS CAN NEVER LIVE IN PEACE WITH EACH OTHER IN ANY PART OF THE WORLD- INDIA, IRAQ, PAKISTAN, IRAN ETC ETC.
60 years after independence, India is mired in corruption and
A.K. Singh was boasting that 'the Hindu curve is going up'.
But what about the Indian curve ? Generally, when the upper caste Hindu curve goes up, India suffers.
Where is India after 60 years of independence?
They say that we have 30 crores in the middle class, and these people are enjoying a lifestyle like that of Americans. But is that enough? What about the rest?
We have 80 crores living with less than Rs. 100 a day.
Agriculture is dying and farmers are committing suicide. The condition of Dalits has not changed much. The caste system is as entrenched as ever and the svarnas have complete control.
Formerly, sati was enforced on Hindu women till the Muslims and British intervened and put an end to it. Nowadays, many Hindus terminate their females at birth or even before birth. In Punjab, the ratio of females to males is 8:10. It is worse than when sati was prevalent !
Who will civilise these Hindus and teach them to value female children ?
Communal Hindu politicians routinely carry out pogroms against minorities, with impunity. They face no legal consequences. The judicial system is corrupt and slow, and its rulings are inconsistent. Action is taken against minorities, but never against prominent Hindu criminals. Hindu fascists like Modi and Advani are re-voted back to power, as the average Hindu has no qualms or belief in right and wrong.
Kashmir and Assam want to separate from India. The army rules these states. In other states, the police carry out false encounters. If the victims are Muslims, it can be covered up by saying the killed were terrorists.
We have nowhere near complete literacy. The adult literacy is 60 per cent. There is no universal Health Service. The infrastructure in every city is bursting. Waste disposal problems are creating epidemics.
In the world ranking of corruption, India is near the bottom.
The upper caste Hindu does not even want to acknowledge these problems, let alone seek solutions. Instead he basks in the belief that India has become like America.
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