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Madrasas and allegations of extremism
Submitted by admin4 on 9 October 2008 - 7:02pm.
By Maulana Waris Mazhari,
(Translated by Yoginder Sikand)
Madrasas are a characteristic feature of Muslim societies the world over. They serve as centres for religious and moral instruction. As in other democratic countries, in India, too, all religious communities, including Muslims, are allowed by law to establish such institutions. Thus, there are many Hindu gurukuls in the country, in addition to which are the vast number of centres run by the RSS, where, in contrast to madrasas, training in the handling of weapons is openly given.
Again, in contrast to madrasas, these centres propagate intoleranc and hatred towards people of other faiths. It is thus distressing that while madrasas are accused of promoting terrorism, no one raises a finger against these Hindutva institutions. It seems that madrasas stand as the single major obstacle in the path of the Hindutva agenda of 'saffronising' the country and imposing Brahminical Hindu culture on all its inhabitants. That is why the madrasas have come under heavy assault by the fascist forces in India today.
The anti-madrasa propaganda is not a new development. However, it has rapidly increased in intensity in the recent past ever since the Hindu Right began to gain political power and strength in much of the country, first in some states and then at the national level. When the BJP came to power at the Centre, its Human Resources Development Minister, Murli Manohar Joshi, sought to impose the Hindutva ideology through the educational system, or what the media referred to as 'saffronisation'. Then, in accordance with a carefully planned strategy, in 2001 a Ministerial Group was formed in the aftermath of Pakistan's uncalled for aggression in Kargil. The Group submitted a report on internal security which falsely alleged that madrasas in India had turned into centres for promoting religious fundamentalism and thus had become a major security concern. It claimed, without supplying evidence, that madrasas were being used by terrorist, fundamentalist and anti-national elements, particularly in districts along the international borders with Pakistan, Nepal and Bangladesh.
As soon as the report was submitted the media began parroting the same lines. Interestingly, prior to the report the media had not made much of a noise about madrasas. The question thus arises that, if these allegations were true, where was the country's investigative media prior to this? Why did they have to wait for the report to come out to cry hoarse about these allegations against the madrasas? To add to the absurdity, Lal Krishan Advani, senior BJP leader, in fact denied these allegations in Parliament when responding to a question by a Muslim MP, but the Group that prepared the report was formed under his supervision and came out with quite the contrary argument, which greatly boosted the anti-madrasa campaign, which still rages in the media. And, reflecting this frenzy that has been whipped up against the madrasas, numerous students and teachers of madrasas continue to be falsely accused of being behind terrorist acts. The authorities of the madrasas have been insisting that such allegations are almost wholly baseless and lacking in evidence. In actual fact, none of these allegations against madrasa teachers and students have as yet been proven based on standard and acceptable principles of evidence and justice.
Allegations against madrasas in the media and by certain political forces are routinely framed in such a manner as to target and attack not just these institutions but also Islam as a religion, in line with the fiercely anti-Islamic stance of these forces, who claim that Islam itself promotes intolerance and terrorism. This anti-madrasa propaganda has now become so pervasive that even many non-Muslims who do not have any prejudice against Islam have serious reservations about madrasas. They believe that the ulema of the madrasas deliberately distort Islamic teachings for their own political purposes and interests and, accordingly, are turning Muslim youth towards terrorism. This view is now widely held not just among non-Muslims but also among several Muslims themselves. For instance, in an article published in several newspapers in May 2000, the governor of Goa, Muhammad Afzal, levelled the same sort of allegations against the madrasas.
An influential section of the media is now employing the anti-madrasa campaign as a means to attack Islam itself. A good illustration of this is an article that appeared in the India Today magazine in June 2001, titled 'Crescent Classroom'. The writer, Sumit Mitra, visited a madrasa in the Muslim-majority Murshidabad district in West Bengal and filed a report, from which I am quoting some excerpts below:
'Murshidabad is more of a fanatic oddity in a state not much given to stand-offs along communal lines. This is evident in a religious-educational movement that demands "Islamic education" for children. The drive to "purify" education is spearheaded by the Barua Rahamani Education Society (BRES) [which...] has already opened 109 madarsas in the state [...] [T]he Barua Ahle-Hadis Education Society begins Arabic lessons at the prep level. But more interesting is the society's publication of the book on the Bengali alphabet, replacing the age-old Barna Parichay of Ishwarchandra Vidyasagar. The traditional textbook introduces the first letter aw with the word ajagar, Bengali for python, but [the] Salafi Barna Parichay says after aw: awju korey pak haw-o (wash yourself to be pure before namaz). The second letter of the alphabet, aa is dinned into the child's ears with the exhortation Allah-r naam law-o (Take the name of Allah)". The third letter, ee, goes with the line Embrace Islam.
The Talibani twist to such unorthodox alphabetic drill frequently surfaces. For the letter "dh" the book has a picture of dhol, the percussion instrument, with the line dhol tabla-e khodar lanat (God's curse be on music). For r, it is rasool (the Prophet)...For sh, it is shirk, [the crime of] of comparing anyone with Allah....'
According to the writer, all this is evidence of what he calls 'Talibani' education. He claims that this sort of education promotes intolerance and extremism. This single example reflects the fierce hostility of a certain section of the media. If teaching 'A' for Allah and 'R' for Rasul is branded as 'fundamentalism', then no Muslim of this country can be exempted from this charge of being a 'fundamentalist'. Nor, too, can the followers of other religions, who seek to provide their children with knowledge of their own faith. Is the constitutional provision and guarantee of secularism to be interpreted in such a way that children are not to be given religious education or that they should not be brought up according to the teachings of their faith? Is teaching about God, morals and the purification of the self, all of which religion talks about, anti-national and tantamount to so-called 'Talibanisation'?
In the heat and fury of the hate-driven anti-madrasa campaign, the actual roles and identity of the madrasas have been completely ignored. In India, Hindu Right-wing forces, and, at the global level, senior American leaders and defenders of American Imperialism, have left no stone unturned in their effort to project madrasas as centres for training terrorists. To back the claim about madrasas in India being allegedly engaged in promoting terrorism, the Ministerial Group report prepared when the BJP-led government was in power at the Centre refers to—and this is repeated by large sections of the media—the recent rise in the number of madrasas in certain districts in the country along its international borders. This is misleading. In actual fact, the number of madrasas has increased not just in these districts but all over the country in general. One reason for this is the heightened sense of insecurity and defensiveness about their religion and identity among Muslims across the country caused by the destruction of the Babri Masjid in 1992 and the developments that took place thereafter. Another factor is undoubtedly economic—the scope for collecting donations for madrasas has now become wider. This is a result of the woeful neglect of the economic dimension in the present system of madrasa education. The increase in the number of madrasas simply as a means for collecting donations is an unfortunate development. But this increase must be seen against the findings of the recently-released Sachar Committee Report, according to which only 3-4% of Muslim children study in full-time madrasas.
There is no doubt that the anti-madrasa campaign as well as widely-held negative views about madrasas have been strengthened by on-going political developments in neighbouring Pakistan. The aggressive and totally stupid actions of some madrasas and self-styled 'Islamist' groups in Pakistan have only further contributed to the negative image of the madrasas, as have statements and actions against madrasas by pro-American Pakistani leaders in order to curry favour with their American bosses. These have given further impetus to the propaganda against madrasas being spearheaded by anti-Islamic forces in India. It is, however, incorrect to equate Pakistani madrasas with their counterparts in India, because the contexts in the two countries are vastly different. It is as erroneous as equating Hindu institutions in Sindh, Pakistan, or in Bali, Indonesia, with Hindutva outfits in India.
A well-planned, organised policy and campaign is required to counter the false charges of Indian madrasas being engaged in fanning terror. For this, madrasas need to be more open to the wider, including non-Muslim, society and must also address their internal weaknesses and shortcomings.
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*This is a translation of a chapter by Maulana Waris Mazhari titled Madaris Par Intihapasandi Ke Izam ki Haqiqat in Yoginder Sikand & Waris Mazhari (ed.) Dini Madaris Aur Dahshatgardi: Ilzam Aur Haqiqat ('Madrasas And Terrorism: Accusations and Realities'), Global Media Publications, New Delhi, 2008, pp. 113-20.
Waris Mazhari is the editor, Tarjuman Dar ul-Ulum, official organ of the Old Boys' Association of the Dar ul-Ulum, Deoband. He can be contacted on mazhariwaris@gmail.com
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Muslims don't worship Kaba
Muslims don't worship Kaba and it is considered as house of Allah. Do you that people pray inside Kaba. Have you heard any hindu praying sitting on top of their idols?? One of the companion of prophet use to call for prayers by climbing on top of the Kaba.
Ranbir-Weigh your theories and test it against reality
The thing you have cited wants to say that Islam is also idolatrous.
In Indian Muslims, there are some deviations due to local traditions. It is possible that some Muslims that the author came across glorify Mohammed as equivalent to God; but this is certainly not the general case. The Arabs were once idolatrous people.
Prophet Mohammed ended that. He made it clear that he was only a messenger, they should not worship him, and the people have to worship God. He did not appoint his relative as successors. The message is clear.
Even the most poor, illiterate Muslims understands the oneness of God. Whereas amongst the Hindus, even the educated worship idols.
In India, Muslims in northern India have some unIslamic/Islamic practices like dargahs. One may pray for the soul of a deceased person.
But in India, Muslims go to the tombs of sufi saints Nizamuddin and Moinuddin Chisti and pray for help. This is strictly forbidden according to Islam, as one is putting an intermediary between God – one cannot even pray to Muhahmad (that was his own instruction).
In Madina, people are not allowed to pray to the Prophet at his burial place.
So what we see in India has some influence from the local culture. One cannot say that this is Islam.
Even with some unIslamic practices like dargahs and saints, there is no case that Muslims in India are as idolatrous as Hindus.
If the logic of yours is correct, then there is no difference between Hinduism and Islam.
But the evidence indicates that Hindus are becoming Muslims, and after that they give up the idols and do not return to it.
The most misunderstood relegion
Br.Ranbir, I am not here to argue with you just to point out that Muslims are not idolaters and we don't worship the Kaba and it is not in the form of lingam by any perception, even a blind man can distinguish it....
Kaba is qibla which means direction..we face towards kaba,as a sign of unity...Many at times Call for prayer was given from the Kaba,do you know of any priest or poojari doing pooja standing on the idol.?
There is no philosophy for idol worship it is based on mythology you know for your self what is myth means...?
Your allegation on pedophilia as sunnah is certainly not true and insane,even now many families make a marriage deal when their kids are young..do you say it is an act of pedophilia? this is what happened with Ayesha(RA) and prophet Muhammed(PBUH)......
YOur next allegation on women's right.. ISlam has given women a right of inheritance..it was only late 19th century western world gave that right to their women folks,daughters doesn't have the natural right to inherit in our society,.....Islam gave it 1400 years ago,Islam gave them the right to divorce their husband if they are not happy with them 1400 years ago,........Islam makes sures that it is a duty of the male member of the family to take care of their female folks and it is not a must on her to yield money,but if they wish to pursue a healthy career they may certainly do so.There are many many more......
Allegations on revelation of prohet Muhammed please do ponder on the quran how could an illiterate person or merchant as you have quoted can bring a book of this magnitude,the supremacy it has in arabic grammar and literature above all there are more than 1200 verses among the 6000 odd talking about scientific facts,i repeat established scientific facts starting from the embryology,(we came to know about the development of embryology with the help of powerful electronic microscope only around 50 years back but quran has described it 1400 years ago).water cycle,creation of every life from water who could have said this from an illiterate man from the scounching desert.Please do ponder on the human values and social reforms Quran can give it to humanity.
Quran says it clearly "IF IT IS NOT FROM GOD(REVEALED)THEN FOR SURE YOU WILL SEE SEVERAL CONTRADICTIONS".Apply your self the theory of probabilities and you would come to the conclusion that it has to be only revealed,if only you are truthful and a person of intellect.
Make this site as a place of exchanging intellectual facts
Dear br's,I humbly request every one especially the Muslims who participates in posting their comments stick to only facts and don't become personal and there is no point in throwing the hatredness on either side.We as a literate muslim community of this great country carry more responsibilities than other common Muslims.The hatred in both the community is well palpable on streets,neighbourhood.Lets pause this and make this site in encouraging friendship and enabling better relations with our hindu brotherns,there are millions of good hindus thru out the world and we have a very important duty, to guide the mankind towards truth and prosperity.Intellectual hindus know it is not only the muslims who are behind the mess what our country is facing,it is rather a big political gimmicks and will only be over soon after the election results....Until then only GOD has to save US..
My br's I understand the helplessness surrounding us but by throwing anger and impatient comments we are creating more hostile grounds than we are in now..Lets believe that we are the majority among the minorities,our forefathers have contributed vastly towards the success of this great nation and let us keep continuing to contribute to our nations success.
I AGREE 100% with Brother Omer
Salams and you are absolutely right Brother Omer.
Be decent and civil. Do not show hatred.
Do not revile the gods of others because due to ignorance
they may revile the One True Almighty God and the Creator of
the Universe people call Him Allah, Iswara, Bagawan.
Invite people to Islam with wisdom and kindness.
Please do not discredit Islam or other Religions.
There are good and evil folks among all Indians.
Not All Muslims are angels, And Not All Hindus are angels either.
Not all Muslims are friends of Shaitan and Not all Hindus are friends of Shaitan.
Intellectual criticism is all right, but not insulting other religions.
God has created us into clans and nations so that we can recognise each other,
But in the sight of God, those who are closer to God are those who are righteous.
Had God wanted He could have created us into a single group of believers.
This world is a Testing Ground. let us try hard to pass our tests.
Ranbir, conversion is essential for India's progress
Ranbir, conversion is essential for India's progress - convert to Christianity if Islam scares you !
After the killing of Graham Staines by Hindu thugs, Vajpayee (instead of condemning it) said there should be a debate on conversion.
I took up the suggestion and initiated a debate on conversion in the different forum.
Conversion of the Hindus is essential for India's progress. Who said this first ? It was the great Indian leader, Ambedkar. Who said this in modern times ? Me Pandit of TCN !
Now Ranbir, I have never said that you have to convert to Islam. You are welcome to join us, but there is no compulsion. I would be happy if you converted to Christianity. Then India could be like America. It is the aspiration of most Hindus that India should emulate America. As one of muslim friend said, they may murder non-westerners, but they have learnt how to treat their citizens well.
If India converted to say Christianity, then there would be universal education and health care, and there would be an end to caste wars and communal pogroms. As someone who professes love for India, you should come forward and announce your conversion, in the interests of the nation.
Your posting is irrelevant. The subject here is the terrorist violence in India, much of it caused by the Hindus.
India' s problem is the Hindu caste system (you see the Gujjars and Meenas) and the Hindu communal violence in Gujarat, Malegaon and Hyderabad. This is the reason that India will never be like China, Malaysia, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Singapore ....If you have the capability, disprove the assertion that Hinduism is India's biggest hindrance. You can't. No one can. That is why you post about Saudi Arab and Hajr e Aswad.
Publish to have discussion other side of Islam
About the subject, I understand that those like you who were Hindus earlier & got converted by cheating or force to this creed called Islam now feel sorry for their pathetic state after being in this thug cult for so long... To vent out your frustration, you choose these Islamic sites... your choice.
1. Seems like to run away from Brahmins, you got converted...hmm
2. RSS-run schools don't preach hatred like your madarsaas do. And it's Islam's fault that it views Idolatry as bad. You can leve this country if you don't like it.
3. Superstition and violence against countrymen - Look who's talking. Those who follow a caveman goon even in modern era. These are long back discarded by Hindus.
4. If you shut eyes or refuse to accept the truth, you are correct that there is no evidence that studying in madrasas causes people to attack others
5. Hindu never start the riots. IF they had, Islam creed would had got curbed with that caveman in those pre-arabic days. However it has always been Muslims who are & remain to be violent rapists. This time Hindus just retaliated once in small way.
6. Complaints of discrimination exist in Islam too.. don't claim that Deoband, Barelvi, kasai, etc are not different casts leave aside Shiya, Sunni, sufi
7. Muslim always try to fight when they are in measurable numbers. If not only then they pretend to be peaceful people
8. Indian education & history was distorted to a large extent by the invaders & bad psedu-secular central govts. So ignorant like you won't know the history of India!
Last, it's europians & british whose divide & rule policy along with ianvader's similar tactics preach Brahmins to be migrants, you arab muslims are migrants!
Reply to Raja Ranbir Singh
Raja Ranbir Singh, some of things you write are scarcely comprehensible. You are making a monkey of yourself. It must be my effect.
You cannot keep up with my knowledge of Hindus, and the strain is showing in your writing.
Is there any point in dressing up plain idolatry and passing it off as sophisticated ?
How is it others are able to relate to God without models of animals and phalluses and what not ?
Still, I do not have a problem with idol worship. Please yourself on this.
My objection is when you start imposing idols (your science models !) on others.
Like when Hindus planted idols of Rama Lalla in the Babari masjid one night in 1948, and claimed it showed a shakti.
Ranbir, please continue with your beliefs. Just don't expect others to respect you.
May Hindus ask "why don't you understand GOD is one and all, GOD is omnipresent and omnipotent , he is in air, water, and in pigs like you, monkey, lingam etc."
So why don't you worship me along with the monkey and the lingam ? I have taught you about Hinduism, all for free. Many Hindus say a Pandit gives his knowledge free, so you should worship me.
Say you believe God is many, that is all. Don't pretend it is the same as those who believe God is One. Either you believe 2 + 2 = 4 or you don't.
With your beliefs, it is not surprising you have an inferiority complex.
Muslims worship the Creator, not the created. In this we are clear.
Hindus say God is in the monkey and the cow, and the stone, so we worship it. I am not objecting to this. I am saying 'Don't make out it is equivalent to Muslims'. It is not the same. There is a world of difference.
Finally, if what you are doing is equivalent, why is it you have an inferiority complex about it ?
Pro Muslim or Anti-Hindu ?
Dear Author,
It doesn't surprise me that just like other articles on this website, this article is also aimed at "Anti-Hindu" propoganda rather than advocating "pro-muslim" views. Yes, I do agree that madarssas in general are meant to give religious education and their motive is not to spread hatred. But unfortunately terrorists have been known to be brainwashed in some madarssas in some parts of the world (including India).
Can you ponder on why madarssas came under tight scrutiny in Pakistan which is also an "Islamic Republic"? Could you care to admit that young people from well educated families come to Pakistan for gaining knowledge on religion, but end up joining Al-queda instead? Please don't close your eyes to obvious truth that militants are using madarssas as recruitment centers. This act is being misused by polititions to malign the image of madarssas. My suggestion to the author and to moderators of this website is - Please be "Pro-Muslim" in your views but not "Anti-Hindu" - remember the two are not synonyms. The progress of nation lies in being positive instead of negative.
But for a website that tries to support terrorists in Jamia Nagar and plays down sacrifice of the brave police officer, may be I am asking for too much ... !!
Telepathy about terrorists
In any legal system of the world, the order of Justice is - Accusation, then Trial (in a court of law) then Acquittal/Conviction according to the findings of the court. Only in case of so-called Muslim 'terrorists' in India do we have it the other way round i.e. Persecution (e.g. encounter killing or jail) and then an often lame trial (if at all), and then the accusation's truth.
Our police's competence which cannot solve a simple murder case (e.g. Arushi's murder) within the confines of 4 walls with a limited no. of options and suspects, gets to know the 'Muslim' masterminds of blasts within a few hours (if not minutes). An d the media parrots it 24 by 7 to create negative image of Muslims.
Our media and police are the greatest telepathy powers in the world, we should say.
Please read the anti-Muslim comments on national websites like Rediff and TOI (both of which are moderated so as to not publish intellectual or logical Muslim's comments) before calling this site anti-Hindu.
Brother No one cant brainwash
Brother No one cant brainwash Muslims in wrong way. In India Muslims r treated like enemy of Hindus and educate Hindus in that manner . Muslims r not come from other country (except very few and they also lived as Indian n mingle with Indian culture ) most of them r True Indians as said diravidans(traditional Indian) . So Majority of Hindus must stop saying v r alliance of india n v r terror. another thing medias are lie in the hands of Hindus n hiding what the real case happening. i'm ashame to live with this kind of terrorist. in gujarath very few muslims left to be live as orphans and beggers they r very much suffered by hindu terroist,they can chance to brainwash like hinduthva people did .
Indian media - Hindus are studying in madrassas and enjoying it
Mudassir, madrassas are not like Brahmin-run institutions. Even Hindus are studying there. And the Hindus like it ! Hindus are learning Arabic. There are Hindu teachers in madrassas (see article from outlook).
What about RSS-run schools ? They teach idolatry, superstition and violence against countrymen. There is no evidence that studying in madrasas causes people to attack others. Did the Hindu rioters and rapists of Ayodhya and Gujarat study im madrassas ?
The Kanchi mutt ran some colleges. The non-Brahmin Hindus there were complaining about gross discrimination against them – by the Brahmins. This is the difference between Muslims or Christians, compared with Hindus.
They are too ignorant a Brahmin to know that the madrassa educated types of the Deoband and Barelvi seminaries opposed Muslim League and partition. They took the stand that they were born in this country and will die in this country. Thier prejudice against madrasas is to be expected from a person who said that someone educated in India like me will not know the history of India !!
I asked them where we can learn the history of India – from Brahmins who migrated ?
Islam Facts
About the subject, I understand that those like you who were Hindus earlier & got converted by cheating or force to this creed called Islam now feel sorry for their pathetic state after being in this thug cult for so long... To vent out your frustration, you choose these Islamic sites... your choice.
1. Seems like to run away from Brahmins, you got converted...hmm
2. RSS-run schools don't preach hatred like your madarsaas do. And it's Islam's fault that it views Idolatry as bad. You can leve this country if you don't like it.
3. Superstition and violence against countrymen - Look who's talking. Those who follow a caveman goon even in modern era. These are long back discarded by Hindus.
4. If you shut eyes or refuse to accept the truth, you are correct that there is no evidence that studying in madrasas causes people to attack others
5. Hindu never start the riots. IF they had, Islam creed would had got curbed with that caveman in those pre-arabic days. However it has always been Muslims who are & remain to be violent rapists. This time Hindus just retaliated once in small way.
6. Complaints of discrimination exist in Islam too.. don't claim that Deoband, Barelvi, kasai, etc are not different casts leave aside Shiya, Sunni, sufi
7. Muslim always try to fight when they are in measurable numbers. If not only then they pretend to be peaceful people
8. Indian education & history was distorted to a large extent by the invaders & bad psedu-secular central govts. So ignorant like you won't know the history of India!
Last, it's europians & british whose divide & rule policy along with ianvader's similar tactics preach Brahmins to be migrants, you arab muslims are migrants!
Re: Indian media - Hindus are studying in madrassas and enjoying
About the subject, I understand that those like you who were Hindus earlier & got converted by cheating or force to this creed called Islam now feel sorry for their pathetic state after being in this thug cult for so long... To vent out your frustration, you choose these Islamic sites... your choice.
1. Seems like to run away from Brahmins, you got converted...hmm
2. RSS-run schools don't preach hatred like your madarsaas do. And it's Islam's fault that it views Idolatry as bad. You can leve this country if you don't like it.
3. Superstition and violence against countrymen - Look who's talking. Those who follow a caveman goon even in modern era. These are long back discarded by Hindus.
4. If you shut eyes or refuse to accept the truth, you are correct that there is no evidence that studying in madrasas causes people to attack others
5. Hindu never start the riots. IF they had, Islam creed would had got curbed with that caveman in those pre-arabic days. However it has always been Muslims who are & remain to be violent rapists. This time Hindus just retaliated once in small way.
6. Complaints of discrimination exist in Islam too.. don't claim that Deoband, Barelvi, kasai, etc are not different casts leave aside Shiya, Sunni, sufi
7. Muslim always try to fight when they are in measurable numbers. If not only then they pretend to be peaceful people
8. Indian education & history was distorted to a large extent by the invaders & bad psedu-secular central govts. So ignorant like you won't know the history of India!
Last, it's europians & british whose divide & rule policy along with ianvader's similar tactics preach Brahmins to be migrants, you arab muslims are migrants!
Re: Indian media - Hindus are studying in madrassas and enjoying
About the subject, I understand that those like you who were Hindus earlier & got converted by cheating or force to this creed called Islam now feel sorry for their pathetic state after being in this thug cult for so long... To vent out your frustration, you choose these Islamic sites... your choice.
1. Seems like to run away from Brahmins, you got converted...hmm
2. RSS-run schools don't preach hatred like your madarsaas do. And it's Islam's fault that it views Idolatry as bad. You can leve this country if you don't like it.
3. Superstition and violence against countrymen - Look who's talking. Those who follow a caveman goon even in modern era. These are long back discarded by Hindus.
4. If you shut eyes or refuse to accept the truth, you are correct that there is no evidence that studying in madrasas causes people to attack others
5. Hindu never start the riots. IF they had, Islam creed would had got curbed with that caveman in those pre-arabic days. However it has always been Muslims who are & remain to be violent rapists. This time Hindus just retaliated once in small way.
6. Complaints of discrimination exist in Islam too.. don't claim that Deoband, Barelvi, kasai, etc are not different casts leave aside Shiya, Sunni, sufi
7. Muslim always try to fight when they are in measurable numbers. If not only then they pretend to be peaceful people
8. Indian education & history was distorted to a large extent by the invaders & bad psedu-secular central govts. So ignorant like you won't know the history of India!
Last, it's europians & british whose divide & rule policy along with ianvader's similar tactics preach Brahmins to be migrants, you arab muslims are migrants!
What modernity do idol worshippers and casteists have ?
Mudassir, what is the connection with the subject, that is whether Indian media is too scared to report the truth ?
They are continuing with diversions in thier attempt to deflect criticism from my charge that the Indian media is partly guilty of encouraging Hindu fascism.
First, they brought the Hindutva Hindus's pet subject of 'oppression of Muslim women' – till I shut them up with the sati, temple harlotry and female infanticide.
After that they tried the line “Hindus are patriotic to India, wherever they live”. Till I asked them why Hindus riot in mobs and give India a bad name.
Now, they are trying to divert to madrasas. India’s failure is not due to the incompetence of Hindus, it is due to madrassas ! It is the usual Hindu habit of denial – sati is due to Muslims, caste is due to Muslims.
Hindu Media has well known RSS writers, always finding fault with minorities. They can write one-sided articles. But in an internet forum, it is a two- way process. Someone can give a robust reply.
So Hindu Media is concerned with modernity amongst Muslims ? Well, let me examine the modernity of Hindus.
And what do we see in Hindus ?
Here are people, most of who even after education, worship idols, follow mythologies and practise casteism.
Can there be anything as primitive as worshipping a stone ?
How many nations are left in the world where people are so backward in the 21st century ?
The RSS Fuhrer Sudarshan says India’s economy has to be built on gobar and gomutra. Sign of modernity ? Hindus will kill people over a cow. What modernity ?!!
RSS Brahmins are only a Brahmin by birth. Don’t mess around with me.
Remember I am a Brahman by attainment. If you raise this topic again, I shall rag them more.
CASTEISM PREVELENT IN EVERY RELIGION INCLUDING ISALM
Dear friend Anonymous, 1. HOW HAS THE MUSLIMS OF KERALA FOUGHT FOR AND HAVE GLADLY ACCEPTED THE OBC (OTHER BACKWARD CASTE) STATUS IF THERE IS NO CASTEISM IN ISLAM?? ARE ALL THE MUSLIMS OF KERALA A SUB-CASTE OF HINDUS??? Isn't the division of Muslims into Shias, Sunnis, Sayyids, Thangals (a caste of Muslims in Kerala), Ahammediyas etc casteism??? 2. Muslims are perpetual worshipers of stone, for isn't the Kaaba at Mecca a stone???? DON'T ALL THE MUSLIMS THE WORLD OVER TURN TOWARDS KAABA, A STONE, EVERY DAY FIVE TIMES A DAY AND PRAY??? Is the HAJ complete with out circumventing the stone idol that is Kabba??? Hindus at least worship the sun, sea, wind, rain, fire, water etc etc. But the Muslims are the only perpetual worshiper of a stone and have to face it every time they pray irrespective of which part of the world they pray from. A HINDU WILL REMAIN A HINDU EVEN IF DOES NOT WORSHIP ANYTHING BUT CAN A MUSLIM REMAIN A MUSLIM IF HE DOES NOT TURN TOWARDS THE STONE IDOL, THE KAABA, AND PRAY??? SO WHO IS THE GREATER PRIMITIVE WORSHIPING STONE???
The worst idolators on earth!
I am hurt by the comment from one anonymous reader about hindus being idolators. Yes, we are idolators, we atleast have a philosophy which explains why we resort to idol worship (to worship the unlimited God through limited means, idols are necessary upto a certain level).
But, may I ask my dear muslim brother as to how muslims believe in the statement of an illiterate arab merchant, who claimed that he is speaking to the angel sent by God and claimed that God has given him the suzernity over this earth?
Muslims are the worst idolators on earth. They all turn to kaba, which has a black stone sivalinga and circle around it, without even understanding that it too is idolatory. They do it because mohammed did it. Mohammed worshipped the black stone at mecca. He stoned the 'satan' pillars at mecca. Can you explain all these logically?
For your information, temple harlotism and sati are not practiced by today's hindus. If at all something happens, it is an exception and not a rule. But, no muslim can discredit pedophelia, because it is sunnah! No muslim can give equal rights to women because it will be against shariah! No muslim can question the revelations of mohammed, because it is against your religion!
Dear brother, its a
Dear brother, its a misconception among many non-muslim brothers and including you, that we muslims worship the Black stone (Kaaba).. Please read the below explaination on the same.. hope you will get the answer for your question and misconception.. Also hope you understand Islam fairly and honestly..
Kaaba is the Qibla i.e. the direction Muslims face during their prayers. It is important to note that though Muslims face the Kaaba during prayers, they do not worship the Kaaba. Muslims worship and bow to none but Allah.
It is mentioned in Surah Baqarah:
"We see the turning of thy face (for guidance) to the heavens: now shall We turn thee to a Qiblah that shall please thee. Turn then thy face in the direction of the Sacred Mosque: wherever ye are, turn your faces in that direction."
[Al-Qur’an 2:144]
a. Islam believes in fostering unity
For instance, if Muslims want to offer Salaah (Prayer), it is possible that some may wish to face north, while some may wish to face south. In order to unite Muslims in their worship of the One True God, Muslims, wherever they may be, are asked to face in only one direction i.e. towards the Kaaba. If some Muslims live towards the west of the Kaaba they face the east. Similarly if they live towards the east of the Kaaba they face the west.
b. Kaaba is at the Centre of the World Map
The Muslims were the first people to draw the map of the world. They drew the map with the south facing upwards and north downwards. The Kaaba was at the centre. Later, western cartographers drew the map upside down with the north facing upwards and south downwards. Yet, Alhamdullilah the Kaaba is at the centre of the world map.
c. Tawaaf around Kaaba for indicating one God
When the Muslims go to Masjid-e-Haram in Makkah, they perform tawaaf or circumambulation round the Kaaba. This act symbolizes the belief and worship of One God, since, just as every circle has one centre, so also there is only one Allah (swt) worthy of worship.
d. Hadith of Umar (may Allah be pleased with him)
Regarding the black stone, hajr-e-aswad, there is a hadith (tradition), attributed to the illustrious companion of the Prophet Muhammed (pbuh), Umar (may Allah be pleased with him).
According to Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, book of Hajj, chapter 56, H.No. 675. Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) said, "I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit nor harm. Had I not seen the Prophet (pbuh) touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you".
e. People stood on Kaaba and gave the adhaan
At the time of the Prophet, people even stood on the Kaaba and gave the ‘adhaan’ or the call to prayer. One may ask those who allege that Muslims worship the Kaaba; which idol worshipper stands on the idol he worships?
to the Kaaba and worship,
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