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Mumbai attack: Terrorists spoke Marathi?
By Abdul Hameed, TwoCircles.net
Mumbai: It is somehow surprising to learn that the terrorists in Cama hospital in Mumbai were fluently speaking Marathi. The terrorists who are said to have fired in Cama hospital talked to an employee clad in civil dress in Marathi, reports a Marathi daily 'Maharashtra Times'.
The newspaper said the terrorists who targeted ATS chief Hemant Karkare, police commissioner Ashok Kamte and encounter specialist Vijay Salaskar were speaking Marathi fluently.
The newspaper claims the terrorists having fired at two watchmen in uniform asked the other beside them on gunpoint in Marathi, 'You are here an employee?' The employee caught the legs of the terrorist and said, 'I am not working here. My wife has suffered from heart attack and I have come here to admit her.' The terrorist asked him again in Marathi, 'You are speaking true or false?' The employee answered, 'No, by God I am speaking true.'
On this the terrorist let him go.










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SOLUTION OF INDIA
SOLUTION OF INDIA PROBLEM
Muslims are involved in Kashmir and few incidents all over the country. Who is involved in Northeast, Jharkhand, Bihar, Maharashtra, Anshra Pradesh and Chhatisgarh, West Bengal etc.
Solution for India
India is a country composed of A large number of minorities concetrated in certain areas
we have seen how The indian State Sponsored Terrorism has hit the Sikhs in Punjab (dehli the 1984 roits)
The Christians in Orisa
and The muslims in Gujrat and Bombay.
secessionist movement in Mani pur, Assam, Khalistan, Kashmir, Nagaland and 104 and so separatist movements there
the separatist movement and the state sponsored terrorism against them
The Indian state sponsorship of KHI the rebel group in burma
The indian Support for the Tamil Tigers
Indian Financial and Armament for TTP (Tanzeem-e-Taliban-e-Pakistan) by providing them the Milan rockets
Indian Arms support for Balauchistan Liberation Front
and Indias issues with China and Bangladesh over territory as well as rivers.
i think we can clearly see where the problem lies.. the Country of Hindustan (india) is a land of the Hindus... and its ideology directly conflicts its Constitutional "SELF" being created on secular grounds and the Hindu ideology of Shudi and Hindutava therefore the only proper solution for this country is to accept the demands of the secessionist movements and allow either autonomy or a separate nation to all different nations within India holding different ideologies
AS FOR ISLAM AS THE ROOT OF TERRORISM:
the reason for terrorist or (freedom) movements in around the world and them perticularly being Muslim is that
Most of these countries
Somalia, Afghanistan, Chechnya, Bosnia, Kashmir, Palestine , Daghistan , Iraq
are all ocupied by forgien forces or are being ruled by puppet regimes that do not reflect the thought or consent of the people of that country.
lets not forget that in 1857 and latter we were all fighting for the indipendence of India and we were all called terrorists
names like Bhagat sing, Maulana Azad, Ghandi, Nehru were in the lines of seperatists and terrorists. muslims and hindus and christians and sikhs of india were all fighting in the same ranks untill the election sof 1939
which allowed All india Congress (although secular but prodominantly Hindu) party.
that started establishing Hindutva concepts
such as Vand-e-matram
the shudi and sangrathan movements
the forcing of Hindi over all citizins of india that led to a language conflict.
"YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THE BACKDROP BEFORE UNDERSTANDING THE WHOLE PICTURE"
SOLUTION OF INDIA PROBLEM
YOU MUSLIMS SHOULD BE THROWN OUT OF INDIA.
YOU MULTIPLY LIKE RABBITS.
NEHRU CREATED A BLUNDER BY KEEPING YOU IN INDIA
YOU SHOULD BE THROWN OUT SO THAT WE GET RID OF ISLAMIC TERRORISM
Rubbish
I disagree that Muslims should be thrown out. I say that as a Hindu. I believe that as a secular country, we can bring everyone into the mainstream and be more powerful because of our differences.
Muslims are as Indian as anyone else. They ought to be treated with the respect they deserve as human beings (just as Hindus should.)
(No subject)
Who is involved in Northeast
Who is involved in Northeast India, Andhra PRADESH,West Bengal, Chhatisgarh, Bihar, Jharkhand, Maharashtra. Throw all of them out.
To the guy who said: ISLAM is the root of Terrorism
Terrorist Can Learn Marathi.........
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on 30 November 2008 - 5:31am.
To fool people so that they will not get any doubt about them ....terrorist can speak marathi fluently........but its true that....ISLAM is the root of Terrorism........
Dude !! . . . . Terrorists can say Marathi . . wow !! now don't say terrorists wanted to kill Hemant karkare and the other two officials in order to divert the attention to hindus and that karkare's wife accepted it on air, that, karkare was continously threatened by parties (political)[still video is on youtube, amazing the shadow forces have not wiped out that until now]. It was said that karkare and the other two were killed chasing the terrorists but the creepy thing is that they were shot in back, Karkare was shot in neck. So, actually they were being chased or might be any thing else, like, it was also said that he was killed near a CID quarters.
You say Muslims are terrorists . . . amazing . . . you know why Karkare was killed, it was because he was about to resolve the Samjhota Xpress case in which about 65 Pakistanis were burnt alive on the soil of India , Karkare found that those who executed the attack were BJP terrorists and they were supplied with RDX and TNT by a working military personal. Congress was in govt. and so police (karkare) was working for them and for truth but was killed by BJP's terrorists just before announcing the result. (who were the Muslims being burnt or those burning them.)
In Gujraat Narindar Moodi burnt 5000 Muslims alive . . who is the terrorist and now he is on large not only on large but is rewarded with a seat in national assembly or some other seat.
In Kashmir, Palestine, Chachenia, Bosnia, Iraq and so on, up till now how many millions of Muslims have been burnt alive, women raped and childeren slaughtered alive but still you say that Muslims are terrorsits . . How shameful you don't care about human life . . . . . . Still you say Muslims are terrorists . . . OH ! GOD . . . Dude don't you have a brain to think and understand the difference.
The 9/11 mysterous incident . . . can you guys just imagine someone living his life in caves and deserted mountains of Afghanistan can launch an attack such as 9/11 on america . . . come on !!! dont b childish . . . . people who were working ther when interviewed in a program "Loose Change"/"Khotay sikkay" told that some mysterious activities were taking place inside twin towers for the last week before the incident, they told that some heavy amount of sealed stuff was being loaded into the towers and the civil engineers told that the steel bars used in the tower's making were made tough enough to with stand a plane crash but amazingly the planes cockpits were modified to penetrate the towers (can some one imagine those few terrorists modifing the planes) and the towers are scene falling down every one can see the explosions that occurs beneath the falling stack of the building what were causing them . . . there were bombs already set in there by experts. . . no one can do that in that quantity without managements authorization.
Similar is the case of mumbai attacks . . . there are people who always think against Muslims, In 1948 when Israel was made and Pakistan rejected its creation . . . Israeli president announced to his people that our only enemies are Muslims and among them the most prior are Pakistanis. Jew zionists allied with christian zionists in 9/11 against Afghanistan and now they have allied with Hundu zionists (Hindutva) against Pakistan.
India itself is a threat for america as an emerging super power so it is in favor of jews zionists and christian zionists or new con.s to wage a war b/w the two and torn both the countries in many parts as already India is in danger of getting torned into 20 countries and Pakistan into two or three.
So, dude its the third party, the shadow forces who worked in the Nariman house to plan the attack and was helped by BJP's terrorists and who's commandos were present there to respond to the attacks . . God knows who told them to be there before the attacks when only one israeli was killed in the attack and 46 Muslims were killed . . . and according to another gut Zaid Hamid the guys who are claimed to be Ajmal/amir/asim Kasab/kasav etc etc is named amar singh and his colleague so called Ismail Khan was Heera Laal . . . therfore, be in sequence dude and remember that United the middle east stands, the long it will stand.
Peace can only come if India negotiates a final settlement on Ka
The long term solution is not a matter of mere security measures. If India wants to end terrorism, firstly it should negotiate a final settlement on Kashmir.
The bad blood between India and Pakistan is because of it. Accept the reality that Kashmir is disputed territory.
India should not have tried to keep Kashmir as by the rules of partition, contiguous Muslim majority areas in the north west should have gone to Pakistan.
The decision to partition India was endorsed by the Hindu leaders including Patel, so you go by the agreed rules.
Kashmir was the home of Pandit Nehru, India's first and greatest PM, so he wanted to have it. In that case, India should have integrated the people of Kashmir. But India could not succeed in Kashmiri integration because of the underlying mistrust constantly created by the Hindu communalists. When Musharaff and Vajpayee tried to reach an agreement, Advani is reported to have sabotaged it.
PAKI'S ISI & INDI'S RSS - RSS IS MORE POISNOUS THAN THE FORMER
WELL EVERYONE KNOWS WHO HAVE DONE IT BUT THIS IS ALSO TRUE THAT:
1. ALL THE INTELIGENCE & OTHER INSTITUTIONS RESPONSIBLE FOR GAURDING & KEEPING EYE FOR THE TROUBLE MAKERS ARE/WERE MANNED BY THE UPPER CASTE (READ RSS/BJP/BAJ RANG DAL/VHP ETC).
TIMING
2. THE NEXT DAY ENGLAND CRICKET TEAM WERE TO REACH THE TAJ HOTEL, YET THE TERRORIST STRUCK FEW HOURS BEFORE.....
3. IT WAS CARRIED OUT JUST BEFORE THE DAY OF VOTING FOR STATE ELECTION GOVERNING SPECIFICALLY THE BJP RULED STATES ( SO THAT ANTI INCUBENCY & NON PERFORMING COULD BE HIDDEN IN THE VEIL OF JINGOISTIC PATRIOTISM & ANTI MUSLIM FEELING CAN BE SPREAD).
4. BJP'S (WHO FERRIED & ESCORTED TERRORIST, THE BRIBE EATER FROM THE COFFINS OF KARGLIN JAWAN, IN THEIR PERIOD WE SAW PARLIAMENT ATTACK, ETC) TOP GUN WENT ON MAKING THE MUMBAI ATTACK AS CONGRESS FAILURE TO ALL THIS STATE IGNORING THE ALL PARTY MEET ON MUMBAI ATTACK.
5. THE OBC FOOT SOLDIER OF UPPER CASTE NARENDRA MODI WENT TO KARKARE'S HOUSE WITH ONE CRORE (ON THE DAY HE WAS KILLED ) TO HAND OVER TO HIS WIFE :) IT REMINDS ME OF SIMILAR TACTICS BY THE THARKI COW EATING ATAL (NOT BIHARI) VAJPAYEE WHO DISTRIBUTED SAREE & BRA ETC TO THE OBC / DALITS WOMEN WHICH GOT FIRE :) HERE TOO SHAMELESS MODI GOT KCIKED BETWEEN THE LEGS BY KARKARE'S FAMILY MEMBER .... BUT WHAT ONE CAN DO WHO DOES NOT HAVE BALLS.
AGAIN AND AGAIN ITS KNOWN FACT HOW RSS/VHPBAJRANG DAL ROLE IN
DURING THE OBC KINGDOM OF ASHOCKA, NANDA & MAURYA.
DURING THE SHIVAJI CORONATION.
PRE INDEPENDENCE DAYS
DURING EMERGENCY
DURING COMMUNAL RIOT
DURING BABRI MASJID DEMOLITION
DURING 1993 RIOT IN MUMBAI
DURING GODHRA CARNAGE
AND NOW IN
MUMBAI TERRORIST ATTACK.
RSS & ISI THESE ARE THE ONLY ONES GAINING THE FANATIC ON EACH SIDE....
CONGRESS TOO READ ( THE BRAHMANS)
HINDUTVA IS NOTHING BUT BRAHMANS GAURDING THEIR OWN INTEREST & THE BRAHMNICAL ORDER AND KEEPING THE SHUDRA & ATI SHUDRA OUT OF THE REACH OF ALL THE BENIFITS WHICH COULD MAKE THEM PROGRESS (SMALL CONCESSION CAN BE GIVEN TO THE UPWARD MOBILE FEW SHUDRA FELLOWS BUT THE BASIC STRUCTURE TO BE INTACT BRAHMANS ON THE TOP, FEUDAL SYSTEM WITH THE KSHATRIYA'S AND THE BUISSNESS WITH THE BANIA'S). CALL IN NAME OF HINDUTVA IS FOR GETTING THE SHUDRA AND ATI SHUDRA ON THIER SIDE THERBY MAKING THEM FORGET THE ATTROCITIES OF UPPER CASTE TOWARDS THEM AND TO KEEP THEM IN SUCH HOLLOW UNITY OF FALSE HINDU IDENTITY THEY PROPOGATE THE PERCEIVED MUSLIM ATTROCITIES HA HA HA.
BRAHMNAS, KSHATRIYA AND VAISHIA'S WE CAN UNDERSTAND AS THEY ARE GAURDING THEIR FOREFATHERS FIEFDOM BUT WHAT ABOUT THE SHUDRA & ATI SHUDRA.
WAH RE SHUDRA!!!!!
RSS did the targetted killing & dressed it as terrorist strike
RSS (Hindutva) will eventually destroy Hinduism and India. RSS killed Karkare. Its all very clear. Hindus are understanding the RSS "game" of hate-bank politics !
MANAK PRABHU- reply by anonymous for your consideration.
THE TRUTH BEHIND MUMBAI ATTCK- PAKI ARMY DID IT.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on 27 December 2008 - 4:50am.
Allegation galore exist about Mumbai attack.
1. Anthulay says Hindu Fanatics did it to kill ATS officers who were proceeding against Pandit and Pagya.
2. One anonymous says it was done by Congress and Antulay to prevent ATS declaring Pragya and Pandit innocent which will result in Hindu backlash to Congress
2. Another anonymous say DAWOOD did it to hide his drug smuggling from Afghanistan which is linked to Islamic terrorism, ISI and the arming of Taliban.
But the truth is.......... PAKI ARMY AND ISI DID IT
The PAKI ARMY and the ISI did it hoping for a military retaliation from India so that PAKI ARMY can extricate from the Afghan Border where they are being forced by USA to kill PAKI MUSLIMS. PAKI ARMY is facing mutiny like situation as the attack on MUSLIMS is against the corner stone of PAKI ARMY ideology which is protection of ISLAM. Now, even though India has refused to retaliate militarily, PAKI ARMY is progressing with the preparation for war by withdrawing from Afghan Border and moving it's forces along Indian Border. This will be confirmed by Zardari in 4-5 years when he will be overthrown by PAKI ARMY and will be living in London, similar to what EX-PM Sharif said about KARGIL WAR, that Musharaff double crossed him!!!
Mumai attack
The idealogy of Islam promotes suppression of equal rights of people belonging to non-muslim faiths. Hence this idealogy is false and not from God. This idealogy must be opposed and destroyed by all non-muslims and right thinking muslims for the welfare of our descendents. The idealogy must be opposed until the vast majority of muslims agree that non-muslims too should be given equal rights to worship in all muslim countries, including Saudi-Arabia.
The free world must launch a brutal idealogical frontal-attack on Islam, since the vast majority of muslims support instituinalized discrimination based on this false idealogy.
Respond to the false allegations.
‘O human kind, We have created you from a single pair of male and female, and have divided you into nations and tribes, so that you shall recognize each other, not that you shall despise each other, and the most honoured in the sight of Allah (swt) is the person who has Taqwa – and Allah is all knowing, full of knowledge, and well acquainted with all things.’ Surah Hujurat, Chapter No. 49, Verse No. 13, This Verse of the Glorious Qur’an says that…‘O humankind, We have created you from a single pair of male and female’ – that means the whole human race originates from a single pair of male and female. All the human beings in the world – they have a common grandparent. And Allah (swt) says that, We have divided the human race into nations and tribes, so that they shall recognize each other, not that they shall despise and fight amongst themselves.’ And the criteria for judgment, in the sight of Allah (swt) – this verse says… ‘Does not depend on sex, caste, colour, creed or wealth – but it depends, on Taqwa – that is God consciousness, that is piety, that is righteousness. Anyone who is more righteous, who is more pious, who is more God-conscious, is honoured in the sight of Allah (swt) – and Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted with all things. Further the Glorious Qur’an says in Surah Ar-Rum, Ch. No. 30, V. No. 22, that… ‘And amongst His signs, is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the variation in your languages, and your colours. Verily in that, is a sign for those who know?’ The Glorious Qur’an says that Allah (swt) has created various types of languages and different colours… black human being, white, brown, yellow – and these are signs. These variations in colour and language, is not to despise each other, because every language that you have on the face of the earth. In Surah Anam, Ch. 6, V. 159, that... ‘Anyone who divides the Religion into sects – you have nothing to do with him. Allah will tell him about their affairs, on the Day of Judgment. The Glorious Qur’an says in Surah Hujurat, Ch. 49: V. No. 11 and 12 that … (Arabic)… ‘Oh ye who believe, let not some men among you laugh at the others – You may never know, that the latter may be better than the former. Let not some women among you, laugh at the other – You may never know, that the latter may be better than the former. Do not defame one another, nor be sarcastic or call each other with nicknames. Avoid suspicion, for in many cases suspicion is a sin. Do not spy on one another, do not backbite, do not speak ill of one another behind their backs. Are you ready to eat the dead meat of your brother?’ The Qur’an says that...‘If you backbite, if you slander any one behind their backs, it is as though you are eating the meat of your dead brother.’ And eating the meat of your dead brother is a double sin – Eating dead meat itself is prohibited – eating meat of your dead brother is double crime. Even the cannibals who eat human beings, they do not eat the flesh of their brother. So if you backbite, if you speak ill about somebody else behind their back, it is a double crime – it is eating the meat of your dead brother. And the Qur’an gives the answer... ‘Allah (swt) says... ‘Nay you will abhor it... No one would like it.’ The Qur’an says in Surah Humuzah, Ch. 104: V. No. 1 … (Arabic)…‘Woe to every kind of scandal monger and backbiter.’ All these laws of moral conduct given in the Glorious Qur’an and the Sahih Hadith
What lies!
This article says that two of the terrorists spoke in Marathi! How difficult is that to learn for a Pakistani? These are baseless arguments to shield the real deal!
This is a Paki propoganda as always a poor one to hoodwink the world. Shifting the blame on others for their incompetencies to deal with Terror camps in their own country. How easy it was for the Paki government to catch the LET head in one nights operations...what does that tell us?
Learning a new language
Learning a new language isn't easy Mr.
How many ppl live in India and speak Marathi.. only few..or the ppl who live in that state.
If, what India blames that the terrorists came from Pakistan, then how can they be speaking fluent Marathi? Look up in ur sleeves first b4 pointing fingers at others. And rest assured, when u point a finger at someone else, three fingers r point towrds urself too. Don't blindly beleive what INdian media shows and says. Its just brainwashing the indian brains and infesting them with rubbish thoughts!. Thanks.
Why was Mumbai carnage created? Who gains and who looses!
Dear all,
I read the whole string. It is unfortunate that the deaths of God's creations has created more divides. There is ONE GOD and time and again HE has send the same message over and over again in every religion. Religion is actually a "Socio-economic order". It guides us of our duties and rights within our family, our village, our city, our country and globally. When the "socio-economic order" is disturbed by man-made greed, it creates wars! War's, first step is to create ‘reasons of war’ to manipulate people’s mind so they can go to war, to acheive the 'economic' part of the 'socio-economic' balance. This manipulation is done at all levels, domestic, regional, national, international and even out-of the world (space).
After all it is a mini-wars when two blood 2 brothers fight within the same religion on money, property & power, in villages we fight for land and crops, in cities we fight for plots and money, and political power, and internationally we fight for bigger resources (oil, gold, gas, markets, political influence & mental colonization). Religion is injected to fuel the reasons to manipulate and motivate people to fight. External forces inject religion, caste, language and ethnicity to divide, so the external forces can rule the divided locals. Remember Afghan Mujahedeen war’s where key reason was to draw USSR is long battle to economically destroy it, which it did. Someone created it as a ‘religious war’. Remember war’s are economic drains. See what Iraq war has it done for USA draining the economy, just like the earlier Vietnam war.
The 'to-be' aggressor or the one who is looking for that “economic gain” creates ‘reasons’ of disagreement to seed the conflict (war) to achieve his 'economic' power. Remember East India company! Remember the China’s opimum wars, and colonization of Africa, Far-east, Middle-east in 17th-20th centery, the slave trade to America. Some of you mentioned Saudi-Arabia, Iran & Iraq. If they had no oil, would there be wars?. The forces to be would have treated them like Somalia! Reasons for wars are created, and we don't know from what is the ultimate motive behind it? Who is the key player and who it’s smaller players are? For those of you in trade, what happens when a big distributor raises the price, or reduces the price of your produce! They manipulate your economic viability.
So, coming to Mumbai attack! There are a lot of questions you need to think of with a open mind, and always keep in mind who is to gain out of this event!
1. Was it created as an internal political battle to discredit Congress?
2. Was it an event created to induct ‘Pakistan’ to show congress weakness for political gain?
3. Was Pakistan factor inducted to create a Hindu-Muslim carnage? Who gains?
4. Why was Israel induced into it? Why were the Israeli commando’s on stand-by inside India? What are they doing in India?
5. Can Kashmir solution according to UN resolution be achieved? Kashmir is a ticking bomb too, so was Mumbai the fuse?
6. Is the Israeli interest to take out Pakistan nuclear bomb using the new war on Kashmir as ‘hidden agenda’? Will that help Israel to become a regional power in Middle-East?
7. Geo-politically who gains/looses if Kashmir is resolved and India and Pakistan as good neighbors?
8. Geo-politically, who gains out of India-Pakistan war? China, Russia, USA, Israel?
9. Geo-politically is it to bring India into Afghanistan conflict to ease pressure on NATO?
10. Can India replace NATO to fight with Taliban-Pakistan from Kashmir-to Afghanistan?
11. Is the war being created by a 3rd party to eliminate Pakistan for a realignment of international borders to contain China, Iran and Russia ?
12. If Pakistan is cornered, it will use the atomic bomb? So will India and both countries will suffer for next 100 years from fallouts. Who gains from this destruction?
13. If BJP wins, can they eliminate 160M muslims of India? If the answer is yes, then who is next, and if the answer is NO, then why the plots?
Lets discuss this in this context….
Regards…may God bring all of us peace and tranquility.
REPLAY TO 13 TJQ QUESTIONS
Q1,2. Discrediting Congress was not the aim. The PAKI ARMY and ISI sponsored the MUMBAI attack hoping for BJP like response from Congress and massing of Indian soldier on Paki Border so that PAKI ARMY can withdraw from Afghan Border where they are being forced by USA to KILL ISLAMIC TALIBAN TERRORIST which is leading to mutinies amongst PAKI MUSLIM SOLDIERS. But Congress is smarter than BJP and did not fall for it creating more problems for PAKI ARMY.
Q3. Hindu Muslim carnage in India can be only done by Indians. If we decide to remain united it can not happen.
Q4. To fight terrorism (no religion mentioned) which kill innocent AAM ADMI, we should take the assistance of even the DEVIL. So Israel is a lesser evil.
Q5. Paki Army attacked Kashmir in 1947 and India went to UN. The first clause for settling the issue is PAKI ARMY to withdraw from POK. Let that be met so that we can progress.
Q6. Taking out Paki nuclear bomb is good for India. USA, Russia, China or Israel takes it out is immeterial.
Q7, 8. India and Pakis will lose irrespective of who gains.
Q9, 10 If USA offers Rs ONE LAKH per month per soldier as pay and equip them even INDIAN MUSLIMS will volunteer to fight in Afghanistan.
Q11. With PAKI ARMY AND ISI controlling Pakistan irrespective of the type of Govt you don't need 3d party. They are 1st, 2nd, 3d, to Ntn party.
Q12. PAKIS using nuclear weapon?? Are you a Paki.
Q13. Why cann't BJP win with the support of Indian Muslims?? If 40 MPs of BJP won because of MUSLIM Support and ADVANI becomes PM won't MODI be sacrificed to ensure that the BJP ADVANI remains PM. Can Congress remove MODI as long as people of Gurjath elect him. LET THE MUSLIMS VOTE FOR BJP AND MAY BE THINGS WILL CHANGE FOR THE BETTER FOR THEM. 60 YEARS OF VOTE BANK SUPPORT TO SOME PARTIES HAS MADE YOU DEPENDENT ON A "SACHHAR" FOR ECONOMIC UPLIFTMENT.
False flag and black ops are
False flag and black ops are specialisms and trade marks of the CIA and Mossad.
There are many examples from the history of the last fifty years or so.
Whenever there are terrorist attacks one has to be careful about where to attribute the blame because ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.
American has a long-term interest in Iraq (oil!). It has a long-term interest in what was the former Yugoslavia (oil pipelines). It has a long-term interest in Afghanistan (oil pipelines). It has an interest in Georgia (oil pipelines) and Azerbaijan (oil). It has an interest in the disintegration of Pakistan (pipelines through Baluchistan). It has a long-term interest in Central Asia (oil) and it has a long-term interest in the Middle East, Saudi Arabia and Iran (oil).
Make no mistake about it, the politics of energy, particularly of oil and gas, is at the bottom of of the military aggression in the world today. Weapons of mass destruction, seeking to develop weapons of mass destruction, violation of human rights, are all excuses given to justify military aggression, with or without UN approval, for securing oil/gas and its transport from the Middle East and Central Asia.
Don't rule out CIA/Mossad complicity in the Mumbai attacks. The Americans have made no secret that they have Pakistan in its sights.The RSS hindu support only increases this theory,to come to power as nationalist party,in a clean sweep in coming elections.India is also having troops on FATA bordering Afganistan,giving support for independent Balochistann dismembering Pakistan.
zionist RSS hand
The family of a Chabad Center victim has refused to accept an Israeli representative in their son's funeral, saying he was anti-Zionist.
The family of Hasid Aryeh Leib Teitelbaum, who was killed in Mumbai attacks last week, also refused to allow the coffin of their son to be covered with Israeli flag.
"Holding a Zionist funeral for Teitelbaum, who was a Satmar Hasid, would desecrate the dead man's honor," Israeli daily Yediot Ahronot quoted a family member as saying.
"I'm sending a message from the family. We don't want the State to meddle in our grief. Suddenly Israel has an interest to show the world that it is also a victim of global jihad, so it decides to throw a big ceremony with a coffin wrapped in a flag. We object to this. It pains us and offends our values," Shmuel Pfenheim of the Haredi Community anti-Zionist stream was quoted by the newspaper as saying.
He added that he himself had been an American citizen, and although he had a resident in Israel he wasn't an Israeli national.
Unidentified gunmen attacked Mumbai's Chabad center on Wednesday night. At least nine people were killed in the attack.
THE TRUTH EXIST FOR THOSE WHO TRULY CARE
QUESTIONS TO B ANSWERED.SEEMS RSS MOSSAD INC. DID IT.
Is the senseless attack on Mumbai and the heartless killings of innocent people on Thursday 27 a pretext to unleash a campaign to slaughter Muslims as it was done in the aftermath of the 9/11 events in New York and Pensylvania? The ever growing Washington. London, Tel Aviv and New Delhi axis buttress this fear.
Will the Hindu extremist forces, which hijacked Indian politics under the umbrella of Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, RSS, unleash, yet another anti Muslim pogrom or prepare the ground to invade and turn Pakistan into another Iraq?
These are some of the questions lingering the minds of Muslims all over in the aftermath of the Mumbai carnage last week. This fear emanates from the fact that this exactly what happened in the aftermath of the 9/11 events in New York when the most detestable US President George Bush, backed by disgraced British Prime minister Tony Blair, unleashed a global campaign demonizing Islam and Muslims to implement their evil designs.
Since then almost every independent inquiry into the WTC attack came to one conclusion. And that was neither Al Qaeda nor any other Muslim had anything to do with it”. However, the evil forces behind this tragedy had done the damage .They continue the anti Muslim campaign unabated hand in glove with Europe, Russia, India , China and with the active collaboration of Arab dictators. The pro Jewish Western media, which remains an integral part of Western war machine, has been in the forefront in selling the myth that Muslims promote terrorism.
As expected, even before a suspect was captured the Western media joined by the Indian media, began involving Islamic militants to mislead people all over.
First, an unknown group called Deccan Mujahedeen was blamed. The question is how such a sophisticated, well coordinated ,simultaneous and multiple attack was planned and executed by such an unknown group without being detected by the Indian intelligence services?
Within hours, Lashker e Taiba ,fighting Indian rule in Kashmir, was accused. Then the Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh accused a group based in a neighboring country- obviously meaning Pakistan .Traditionally Indian governments blame neighboring Pakistan or Bangladesh and swiftly arrest members of banned Students’ Islamic Movement of India, SIMI, for attacks on Indian soil .Singing the chorus the United States too accused Lashker e Tayeba.
Condemning this as a beastly act, Indian Muslim leaders demanded that the perpetrators be brought to justice while observing that such a massive attack that requires a lot of preparation, material and logistic support, could not take place without the connivance of some high placed power or backer. They urged for all to rise above politics, face this threat in unity and refrain from using it for petty political ends.
They also requested the authorities not to rush to any conclusion as it was routinely done in the past, but to patiently probe taking into account the various local and foreign powers, including foreign intelligence agencies, which may benefit from this chaos and insecurity.
However, this statement failed to draw the attention of Indian and foreign media.
By the time, the only surviving suspect, wearing a red thread around the wrist, a Hindu tradition, was taken into custody the media managed to brainwash people that it was the Muslims who were behind these attacks.
During the past few months, there has been a spate of bomb explosions in different parts of India and the police, as a rule, suspected, arrested, tortured and even killed Muslim youths.On September 29, there was a bomb blast in Malegaon that claimed six lives.
In this connection, five people were detained by the Anti Terrorist Squad ,ATS, in Pune. The detained five included two army officers ,one of them a Major (Retd) Prabhakar Kulkarni , heading the Bhonsala Military School and College run by the Central Hindu Military Education Society, and three Hindu activists -Sadhvi Pradnyasingh Thakur, a so called female saint, Shivnarayansing Kalsangram and Shyam Sahu. They were blamed for a series of deadly bombings in Malegaon in September, which were initially blamed on Muslim militants.
The arrest of especially the female saint Sadhvi, with close links to Hindu extremist forces, alarmed the BJP and other Hindu extremist parties.
Hemant Karkare, Maharashtra Anti-Terrorism Squad ,ATS, chief,was about to disclose these Hindu militants’ involvement in the recent bombings in India and he came under severe criticism by the Hindu extremist forces including the BJP.Indian media reported on November 27 that Hemant Karkare had received death threats days earlier over his plan to unravel the Hindu terrorist cell. The Press Trust of India news agency reportedly received phone calls on November 26 threatening to blow up within days the residence of Karkare known for his discipline and integrity.
The unanswered question is why would the terrorists, if as alleged they were Muslims, kill Karkare who was about to expose Hindu terrorism? The irony is that all three ATS officers, Hemant Karkare, DIG Ashok Kale and encounter specialist Vijay Salazar, were eliminated during last week’s attack on Mumbai.
In another development journalist and human rights activist Amrish Mishra have accused Israel’s secret service agent Mossad and the RSS for the attack on Mumbai. Moreover, they attacked the Taj Hotel, a precious heritage building which reminds the Mogul rule in India which the Hindu extremists, who wanted to wipe out all traces of Islam and Muslims in their drive to set up a Hindu Raj in India, hate.
Describing the attack as grave as the killing of Mahatma Gandhi and the demolition of Babri Masjid, Mishra claimed that the killing of brave ATS officers who could have shown the real face of the saffron terrorism created suspicion. Besides the starting of the firing from Nariman House where substantial numbers of Jews live, showed that this was an anti-national act of terror involving Mossad’s hand, because this kind of attack is just not possible by RSS alone. it was the joint ‘effort’ of Mossad and RSS.
Mishra clearly saw in the TV that Hemant Karkare was wearing the helmet for the confrontation and was shocked to hear after half an hour that he was killed. After the attack, some miscreants had come on the road with saffron flags chanting anti-Muslim slogans but people drove them out.
Those who are very much in touch with the situation did not seem to believe that these attacks are the handy work of any Muslim terrorist organization because they know the forces behind these attacks.
Talking to TV channels, many pointed out that the number of Jews started to increase at Nariman House arousing suspicion forcing them to lodge a complaint with the police which failed to take any action. They believe that this tragedy could have been averted had the police acted on the complaint. Besides people around the area had stated that, on Wednesday night Jews at Nariman House had purchased and stocked food stuff and even liquor from a local store. It is highly unlikely that a Muslim, let alone a ‘Mujahid’, and especially one politicized enough to carry out such an attack, would consume liquor in normal life, let alone hours before his inevitable ‘martyrdom’.
India is one country, which managed to maintain good relations with Israel ever since its inception while showing a friendly face to the gullible Arab dictators. These ties between Zionist Jews and especially the RSS, bonded together by their inherent hatred towards Muslims, flourished since the two countries established diplomatic ties following the signing of late PLO Chairman Yasser Arafat’s sham of Oslo Peace Agreement with Israel.
According to Mishra the heroic death of Hemant Karkare has left the BJP-Shiv Sena combine with eggs on their faces. On Friday, Narendra Modi, BJP’s poster-boy chief minister and Hindutva mascot, paid lofty tributes to Karkare and other senior cops who lost their lives in the counter attack. However, before his death on duty, Karkare and his colleagues at the ATS were at the receiving end of almost a slanderous attack not only by BJP and Shiv Sena leaders, but also by several Sangh Parivar organizations for the ongoing ATS probe into the Malegaon blasts.
In fact, it is worthy to recall that few months ago there was a deadly attack against the US embassy in the Yemeni Capital Sanaa. As expected Muslims were accused. However, the Yemeni President Ali Abdullah Saleh later disclosed that the attack was linked to Israeli intelligence service-Mossad.
Few simple rational questions to think about this attack were;
1. Can anyone in the world remember or worry about the case against Hindu terrorist cell, which was unveiled by Maharashtra’s ATS chief Hemant Karkare? Now it is successfully diverted. Isn’t it?
2. Where is Karkare now? Wasn’t he wiped out from this world by the terrorists at the initial stage of this Drama?
3. Why didn’t Indian forces or any media show a single dead body of terrorist during the first two days?
4. How can the so-called “foreign terrorists” continue to fight for more than two days without worrying about the stock of the weapons? They had been blasting, shooting and setting fires here and there. Did they bring such a large quantity of military hardware?
5. If so, how did they bring such a large quantity of weapons for this attack? Wasn’t it amazing that they had been getting enough weapons just as if somebody was supplying the ammunition stock to continue the attack successfully?
6. Wouldn’t it any one believe that this kind of barbaric killings can only be done by groups motivated by ultra-racism such as RSS, VHP and the Israeli military?
Explaining the grim situation faced by Indian Muslims Jaipur based human rights activist Kavita Srivastava , President of the Rajasthan chapter of the Peoples’ Union for Civil Liberties said;
“Muslims are being readily branded as terrorists, and soon after the blasts large numbers of innocent Muslims were wrongly suspected as terrorists, arrested and interrogated by the police, and many of them were subjected to cruel torture. The police somehow automatically assume that Muslims were responsible for the blasts, without having any proof. Almost a fourth of those who died in the Jaipur blasts were Muslims,although Muslims account for just about a tenth of the city’s population.
Anti-Muslim bias in agencies of the state is mounting today. Just one instance of this is how some of the Muslims picked up by the police were asked if they believe in the Quran or in the Indian Constitution, this ridiculous question reflecting the entirely erroneous notion that a religious and observant Muslim somehow is a traitor or a potential traitor to India.
And then there is the media. They simply parrot the police version of any Muslim whom it picks up as a terrorist, and when it is found that this person is innocent and is subsequently let off, the media chooses not to say anything about it. So, in this way, the image of large numbers of Muslims is being deliberately tarnished. Many of them have lost their jobs because of this, and are tainted in society for the rest of their lives although they have nothing to do with terrorism.
Questions to be answered.seems RSS MOSSAD INC. DID IT
The gentleman who wrote this article and Amrish Mishra are in the payrole of ISI.
Amrish Mishra is Abdul Wahi, a hyderabadi mulim. A true secular MF.
America is Plotting. Watch Out India.
Yours is simply a brilliant analysis, excellent, well detailed, you have washed the real dirty linen in the public all to see and smell, please publish this in Milli Gazette, Radiance Views, Islamic Voice and other Muslim English newspapers and translate into all Indian languages and try to publish this in all regional at least Muslim newspapers( if the community has the money and orgn to run any?).
PRETEXT PRETEXT that is the UNDERLYING CORE CONCEPT HERE.
You could write several volumes of books on the matter of pretext by the enemies of Islam and enemies of world peace and the colonizers and imperialists...how they hoodwinked and fooled the world by pretexts and started wars and occupation.
We have Iraq right in front of our eyes; Just a month before stepping down in Shame,Junior Bush, without any shame, says Iraq invasion happened because of intelligent failure. Despicable Statement. They say Intelligent failure and then they destroy the entire nation, destroy their culture, make good family women widows, and make them beg and go into prostitution to feed their small children, make 4 million people refugees, kill 1.3 million people and you have the tongue in cheek to say that it was a mistake happened due to intelligent failure....
the world knows American president is lying, it WAS NOT INTELLIGENT FAILURE..... IT WAS A PRETEXT THE intelligence guys were asked to make a finding like this so that America will have a pretext to kill Saddam Hussein the only and only ruler ( in spite of his weaknesses)who was boldly challenging American imperialism.
The motive for the entire Iraqi brutality was to please Israel.
Saddam was paying about US$20,000 to the family of each Palestinian Suicide Bomber… my God at this rate the suicide bombers would have finished off the entire Zionist hegemony and liberated Palestine and so Israel and its God father thought this “brute” Saddam was too dangerous, finish him off, find a pretext., 9/11, Kuwait war, trying to kill senior Bush in Kuwait, killings Shias, WMD, you name it, and that was the pretext ., because all the CIA’s well tried programmes of killing Saddam could not work… so create a pretext and start a major war,
and the former secretary of State Madeleine Albright the Jewish woman said “Well, killing 4 million Iraqi children because of sanctions.. it is worth the price”… in simple English, She meant there is nothing absolutely wrong in killing 4 million Iraqi children to save Israel and control the Middle East oil for American oil companies. Is it not despicable Let any of your readers prove that I am lying on Madeleine’s statement I challenge. This is what America says, the West is in the apex of civilization and culture, and can teach the savages in the East what human value is. They can shed the blood of millions of innocent and call it civilization.
So we may have to wait for may be 5 to 10 years to know the truth about who did and what happened in Bombay.? How many of us knew the story of the bombing of the American Intelligence Ship called Liberty in 1973 in the Middle East. Another pretext.
Who planned and aborted the results of Algerian elections and brought the junta to power? Why? What happened to America’s deceptive principle of democracy in Algeria? In Iran in 1953? Who overthrew Mussadiq and brought the most horrible monarch Shah who became the best friend of Zionists?
The story is long and painful. But it is terribly sad that knowingly or unknowingly India goes along with the secret private axe of America to grind and getting ready to destroy Pakistan. Please punish Pakistan for their wrong doing without violating the international laws of warfare and justice, but do not go along the American thinking of the so called clash of civilization and create a new imaginary enemy called Islam to continue their building the huge American Empire.
ANSWER TO FIVE QUESTION OF ANNONYMOUS
Ans1. It has been relegated to background but investigation will progress as ATS Chief was not conducting a "one man inquiry", that death of a few officials will stop all investigation.
Ans2. Yes he was killed on the first day itself. How he has been killed is given in full details in THE TIMES OF India of 05-12-2008. One constable amongst the group of 7 Police Men in the Qualis is still alive. The dead could have been you or me if it were us there with a car as the terrorist just wanted a car.
Ans3. May Out of respect for the dead. If the AAM ADMI had their way they would have hung it upside down in Choupatti, like TALIBAN did in Afghanistan and my friend would have been happy.
Ans 4, 5. Evidently the truth is not being fully told. The PAKI terrorist had local support. Since the state Govt is controlled by Congress the details are not being given out to "prevent possible backlash like the one at Malegaon against the minorities". Arms and ammunition could have been already stocked at TAJ well in advance as was reported by some TV Channels.
Ans 6.This killing can be done by FANATIC MUSLIMS TOO. Any way the PAKI terrorist attack was launched by PAKI ARMY and ISI so that India reacts militarily and the PAKI ARMY can extricate themselves from Afghan Border where they are being forced by USA to kill ISLAMIC TALIBAN TERRORIST. ISLAM is one of the corner stone of PAKI ARMY and killing of MUSLIMS has resulted in wide spread resentment amongst the PAKI SOLDIERS and 900 PAKI soldiers have ran away from army last year alone. But if PAKI ARMY withdraws from Afghan Border USA would "PREDATORS" to bomb the hell out of the MUSLIMS there. SO THE ATTACK ON MUMBAI BY PAKI ARMY supported TERRORIST. WHY DO YOU THINK ZARDARI WITHDREW HIS COMMITMENT TO SEND ISI CHIEF TO INDIA ON ORDERS OD KAYANI- THE PAKI ARMY CHIEF????
The author is a fit case to migrate to PAKISTAN as he has located "majority community" persecution where there was non. Pakistan was created for people like you who feel that Muslims can not live in a Hindu Majority India. Your parents made a mistake by staying in India WHICH YOU MUST RECTIFY BY GOING TO PAKISTAN.
Lets try not to digress.
People on this thread. I'd like to request for all of us to please 'try' and be civil to one and other. This seems to be an forum where we can come together and share our opinions about what they think happened (based on 'factual' information) or poise questions when something doesnt add up, all in the search for a logical answer or possibly- The Truth. There really is no point venting personal aggression that has, no doubt, been based on prejudice/skewed information that's been passed on from one generation to another.
With regards to my opinion on the matter, to ensure that I'm making an 'educated' statement, I will get back with another comment so please stay posted. Thank You and Jai Hind.
Let us not ridicule each other's beliefs.
I agree with the Indian in Australia.
Contributors should stop using indecent language and ridiculing,
insulting, wantonly discrediting and mocking at each each others
faiths, beliefs and practices... as these will lead to more hatred, misunderstanding and ill will.
Look around our neighborhood, places of work and the bazaar we find people
of all faiths going about their businesses, people of all religions mixing and
meeting each other and transacting businesses.
99.99% of all individuals do not hate others and do not interfere
in each others personal life, only vote getting politics divide the
people particularly at the time of elections.
Destiny has brought people of all faiths together in India, we can and we
have to live as people of one nation avoiding communal tensions and inter-
religious disputes.
Even those who do not believe in God use their own
conscience as a guiding principle to treat others with justice, equality,
and sympathy.
As long as all sections of the nation get a fair share of the
national income and are treated equitably without discrimination and
dominance by any one section or sections of the nation, India can progress
economically and people can be happy and prosperous.
The moderators of Twocircles Net should use their discretion much more
strictly by not allowing hate speech and highly provocative personal
attack to appear on the comments. Peace be with all.
The myth of equality
The equality in Islam and Christianity is a myth. Had it been the case, there would not have been a single dalit in UP and surrounding areas (which were under the Muslim rule for nearly 600 years) or in Kerala where the Missionaries were very active. There are Muslims with surnames like Shah, Patel,Thangal, Syed, Bukhari, Owaisi, etc......Christians with surnames like Panikkar, Nadar, Chettiyar, etc, etc........Christianity reached the shores of Kerala in CE 52 with the arrival of St. Thomas as also Islam reached the shores of Kerala in about 200 years after the death of Prophet Muhammad. What were the wholesale and retail dealers of the "compassionate" religions doing for all these years? Why they have become so concerned about the "dalits" now??
I AM A HINDU CONVERT TO ISLAM I HAVE NO CASTE
YES IN Christianity it is a myth but not in Islam, come to my town Madurai in Tamil Nadu and see for yourself. There are 60 lakh Tamil Muslims and show me Abdul Kadir Nadar, Bakar Mudaliar, Ahmad Chettiar, Sayyid Devar, Mohamad Maravan,
Umar Ali Pillai, Sulaiman Parian, Baksh Kallar, and so on... No way, we do not know the caste of our forefathers, we do not add as Tamil Christians do the castes as I have given in the above example NADAR, MUDALIAR , CHETTIAR, DEVAR, MARAVAN.. PILLAI, KAUNDA, SAKKILIA, are all caste names.Dalits became Muslims hundreds of years ago in Tamil nadu and slaughtered and deeply buried their castes and our great leader E.V.Ramasamy Naikker ( Naikker is a caste name)built a huge palace on our caste burial ground.Do not call him Naikker, his huge followers do harm to you.
If you show I will change from Islam to Hinduism. Islam brought a huge,, HUGE REVOLUTION among the Dalits and backward classes of Tamil Nadu and I do not know about North India, but I guess hte same story. Christianity is a huge failure in India, because it never broke the Caste barrier but Islam did it beautifully, superbly and effectively. As a Hindu convert to Islam I am very proud that Islam brought honour, dignity, respect and a big prestige to me. You are welcome as my guest if you are a Brahmin.
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HASSAN BANNA- comment by a Muslim on caste in ISLAM.
what about discrimination
Submitted by shama zaidi (not verified) on 26 December 2008 - 1:20pm.
what about discrimination against muslim obc staff and students in aligarh muslim university? shouldn't this concern us as well.
Hassan Banna, See the above in Comments on the Topic "Discrimination against Dalits in higher education" by Muslim in Aligarh Muslim University. Now how do you claim that ISLAM HAS NO CASTE SYSTEM?????
IN WHICH MUSLIM WORLD ARE YOU- HINDU CONVERT???
Gilani, Shah, Dar, Pandit(yes, even Pandit is a surname of Kashmiri Muslims), Zardari, Memon, Pathan, Khan, Sayed, Thangal, Bhutto, Naik (Yah of ZAKIR Naik fame)...... all caste surnames of Muslims. The Madurai Muslims may not be having caste names because as I remember all the converted people were DALITS. All UPPER CASTE MUSLIMS HAVE "CASTE" SURNAMES AND THEY PROUDLY PROCLAIM IT WITH THEIR NAMES.
Muslims Got Honour in India-Immaterial of the roots.
You say,Singh Saheb, Quote, The Madurai Muslims may not be having caste names because as I remember all the converted people were DALITS
1. So you agree Madurai Muslims do not have any caste names added to their names, WHY because Islam has effectively killed the caste barriers. But Christianity is a failure even in Madurai in this respect because converted Christians stick to their castes.
2. You say you remember all the converts were Dalits. Were you witnessing the conversion that happened hundreds of years ago? Were you living then.
3. Go around Tamil Nadu and see for yourself from how many Hindu castes, there have been conversion to Christianity… virtually from all castes… Mudaliars are supposed to be high caste Hindus… There are thousands of Mudaliar Christians. Our health Minster belongs to a caste called Vanniar – belonging to Chatriah caste, and you find a very large Vanniar community having become Christians. Exactly same thing happened in the case of Tamil Hindu castes converting to Islam. From Varriars and Mudaliars and Pillais and even Brahmins. Deep research done by Tamil Nadu University scholars have proved this far beyond doubt. You are not aware of this I am afraid.
Again it is immaterial, the vital point is that in Tamil Nadu, converts like me from Hinduism, even assuming that we were Dalits have effectively fulfilled the ambition and desires of Ambedkar several hundred years before he had the vision to destroy the caste system in Hinduism.
And we have become brave, courageous, confident, we have tremendous respect, no tea stall serves us in a shamefully reserved dirty tin tumblers, we go to the Masjids and stand on the first row or any row standing shoulder to shoulder with all other brothers. It is as I said before one of the biggest revolution in the history of India and at the same time we are very proud of our ancient Tamil Language and our Dravidian ancestry the original inhabitants of Indus Valley civilization before the racist Aryans invaded us and chased us out from the north to the south
And look at our occupations even assuming that we were Dalits once. We are successful businessmen, competing with all the Hindu castes in Tamil Nadu, we are no more scavengers, garbage collectors, dead body carriers, cremation helpers ( you allow them to touch the high caste after death not when the guys are alive) and slaves to high caste Hindus, and being equal to any so called high caste Hindu, we are brave enough in saying GO TO HELL if they demand the sort of humble obedience that my poor Hindu Dalit Brothers still fearfully exercise., particularly in villages.
I hope this revolution will spread fast so that the 350 million Dalits will become Muslims one day in India and change the entire culture and attitude and image of India in the world. The Europeans consider us practicing apartheid when it has been outlawed in South Africa under the brilliant leadership of Nelson Mandela.,,, the great Gandhian but the father of our nation was a failure in destroying caste as he was scared of the high caste backlash affecting the main goal of getting independence.
You talk about reservation under BWC… that is a good political strategy, otherwise people like you will swallow all the good jobs.. it is nothing to do with religion. Why not the Indian Government totally abolish reservations and go for reservations based on the economic situation of the person. partly and partly on merits. we are for it, ,we converted Hindus can effectively compete with all. ,
Hell with reservations my people getting Govt., jobs is not that important and my people getting liberated, freedom from the clutches high caste of Hinduism and getting honour and respect is more important… as Muslim we believe if we are honest and hold on to our Iman, God will show us a way to earn and survive… after all this world is a temporary abode and our final destination is far better as Muslims than as slavish Dalit Hindus.
I have seen so many posting on Saudi Arabia and Immigration. Read the postings once again, do not please waste your time repeating the same story .. it is a bit boring.
Islam is not represented by Saudi King or any king for that matter, it is represented by the Takwa based followers like me.
THEN WHY ARE MUSLIMS SEEKING RESERVATION???
HASSANBANNA SAB, you have ignored my claim about upper caste Muslims retaining their surnames all over the WORLD. Forget it. If you are being treated equal as upper caste Hindus in Madurai, why are you seeking reservation???? Are you inferior to the Hindus that you are afraid of competing with them on equal terms.
Go to your final abode- the Muslim heaven- earliest and enjoy yourself. Leave the "KAFIRS- HINDUS- BRAHMINS to DALITS" to suffer in this world- INDIA. WOULD YOU KINDLY PROCEED TO YOUR FINAL ABODE TOMORROW itself????
THAT'S BECAUSE ALL INDIAN MUSLIMS ARE DALIT MUSLIMS
Hassan Banna, Hinduism originated to India and is restricted mostly in India. Hence you will find all caste of Hindus in India itself. But ISLAM has it's origin in Arabian Peninsula and so the UPPER CASTE Muslims are only found in Arabia. All Indian Muslims are considered by Arabs as "DALIT MUSLIMS" unfit to be granted equal status to them. SO INDIAN MUSLIMS ARE CASTE LESS AS THEY ARE ALL DALITS. Muslims themselves are claiming the they are "DALITS" by demanding reservation which is entirely CASTE Based and not on economic criteria. The Muslims of North KERALA have already become OBC- Other Backward Caste. Since you are proud of the caste less Muslim society,why don't you go with a proposal for you son/ daughter's marriage to an upper caste Hindu who has converted to ISLAM or to a SAYID, KHAN, or any MUSLIM from NORTH India??? WHY ARE THE ARAB MUSLIMS NOT GRANTING CITIZENSHIP RIGHTS TO INDIAN MUSLIMS WHILE USA, UK, AND EUROPEAN COUNTRIES GRANT YOU CITIZENSHIP RIGHTS??? IT'S BECAUSE THEY DO NOT WANT THE "INDIAN DALIT MUSLIMS" TO INTER MINGLE WITH THEM. IF YOU WANT FURTHER PROOF ASK HOW THE UP AND BIHAR MUSLIMS HOW THEY ARE TREATED BY PUNJABI AND KASHMIRI MUSLIMS WHEN THEY GO THERE TO WORK.
The fact that ATS chief
The fact that ATS chief Hemant Karkare was dragged out of the vehicle by his killers to make sure that he was dead, speaks a lot. It is common sense that anybody shooting in a mad spree would only want to rush away.
Hemant Karkare was a honest Indian police officer who was bent on exposing and disclosing proof of terror attacks carried out by hindu terrorist outfits and their Israeli connection.
The attacks have been well planned by hindu terrorist outfits with external help(read Pakistan, Israel, the USA) to divert attention from the investigation and disclosures Hemant Karkare was making.
There are thousands of Pakistanis working for Mossad. This all seems to be part of a bigger game by Israel and USA of arms sales and proxy control of India.
This is saga is Drama,
This is saga is Drama, please opne you eyes and think clearly === this only think I ask the Analyst
What is the outcome of this attack?
1. Are the attacker not quite good at thinking what will be the outcome as we seen from the previous attacks
WTC = Two muslim countries,
IRAN Nucs = ban on Iran,
Attack in Pakista Hotel = Domestics violence
Attack in Mumbai = Killing more muslim and put some more pressure and make a ground for another muslim counrty invasion! Isn't that true ---- ? what is the
I understand its very hard for most religion to see how Islam embrases fast and people coming to this circle even with too much Muslim terrorist Bullshit... none of the ways are stopping so the whole Drama of terrorism is created to stop people accepting Islam.. You have to beleive it thats the only fact and all the worlds power are trying to stop it with perks(oil and resources) two kill two birds with one stone -- Destory Muslims with peace and capture their resources!!! THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE and real fact.
So all Hindus. Christians and Jews please do think and understand who is getting benefits... In concise if the Attackers are so intelligent dodging all the securities and plaining violance at multiple places ----> R THEY DUMP TO KNOW WHO GETS THE GLORY..... and whats the use taking IDs and Credit cards with them, I am sure they won't be plaining shopping after creating such Disaster.
No matter how many evidence or assumptions are given -- the western world or the responsible of this attack won't beleive it as it is planed and set propaganda to destroy the Muslims Image and destroy them by doing war againts terroris... Wake up people, Wake up people... it wasn't Muslim who participated in WWI/II it was not Muslim who killed 6 Million Jews, its no Muslims whos responsible shootout at Schools in america oftenly. But it is always Muslim when there is no clear picture of attackers.... I jsut saw the picture of Mumbai people who killed a guy they suspect is Muslin in front of the Police and nobody did nothing.... who ever did the bombing attacking was still not clear but the movie that I watched was crystial clear and I will post it in Youtube,,, clear killing of innocent people by the people in front of the police and thats the other desireable outcome of this Mumbai Attack Drama...... Bullshit.... Bullshitt....
PEACEFUL INDIA
Everybody should understand some truths that blaming each other will not solve the problem. our enemies laughing us.
Very recent incidents shows that BJP can arrange any type of encountering at any moment at any place if they need, because they have hundreds of people ready in their custody for monitoring them as a terrorist.
Now the key factor is that there is powerfull hand activated behind this tragedy and also very clear that the person is nobody else other than MODI. They have done what they had said / thritten to Karkare's family.
The Chief of ATS, Mr Karkare had sent a letter to his friend before his death that should publish to Indians, we want to know the truthfulness. we dont want to escape anybody if they are guilty, we, indians want the real probe which should be revealed it and punished to death the real prisons. Who is benefited for this Terrorist Attack really.
If the MODI is guilty, anybody is there in India to say darely to punish to death.
If anybody come up who will face the same thing of Mr. Karkare in his life.
All Indian should have common words and common thoughts, we should not be rigid minded, we should not hide anything, be open, we should not support any body blindly.
MODI and BJP have proven their terrorist activities several times very clearly.
No body like / dare to mention this even muslims.
Most of their terrorist activities not come out of India due to their power.
when BJP start to gear up in India, we Indians lost our peacefulnes in India. they cannot consider Indians as Indians, even they cannnot consider backward hindus as hindus. Please understand that their target is Muslims first then it is sure next will go to backward hindus. they want power only power they will destroy any thing whatever the disterbances in front of them. wait and see..
A brother.
lol if this was politics..
lol
if this was politics.. the congress would have not agreed that this attack has indeed been done by pakistan - the congress would have taken this oppurtunity to put the blame on bjp!
use ur brains plz before u speak these words....
terrorism is a business now - its a larger political game than one can imagine... do remember the target was to attack as many foreigners as possible... think why would that be - think about which countries would benifit if indian economy was to be affected...
and dont forget... some of the ammunation was china made!
Mumbai Terror - Victory 2 hindutuva,defeat 2 India & Humanity
The most heinous crime i ever watched live on air,i am sure many would agree with me this was the worst terror attack witnessed in our time....I am shocked by the selective silence by the media i hope it is not selective amnesia...
What LoT to do with killing of the ATS chief and the officers behind bringing the truth of malegaon blast to limelight..Hemant Karkare and his associates were killed within few hours of the initial phase of this terror attack...Well the aim of the terrorist was perfectly executed,yet to mislead the whole investigations and to deceive the moderate intellectual voices of our great nation., well planned cold blooded murder went on for over 60 hours.The following incidences was just to hijack their plot!
If the terrorist was on the look out for the foreigners,then why the hell did the terrorist started shooting in the train station,hospital,multiplex...If the terrorist are LoT why do they target civilians mainly dressed in Muslim outfits?more than 35 percent of victims are muslims...!
Their choice of Jewish center and murder mongering on the UK and USA citizen is well planned drama is the best ever deceiving tool....
The result is not only we have lost many of our Indians but also the sincere officers whose abilities just manage to expose the tip of the iceberg of Hindu terrorism which has comfortably down rooted even in to our army jawans,the government who initiated the probe have to pay their price also by resignation just for their mistake of allowing the melagon probe in their state....
The intelligence service have failed to answer on the exact events led to the murder of Mr karkare and his associates....Rightly,one crore offer by Mr.modi was rejected by Mrs.karkare...As she knew who is her husband's killers are?
It's a totall drama played
It's a totall drama played by RSS,VHP and BJP; because the truth is coming out from Mr.Karrare. How come all three officers are encounter, they are encounter specialist. Actually the driver took the officers to some point, where already terriost are there. May be they were hundereds will be there...
God Knows.
GEORGE ARE YOU DUMB OR JUST A MUSLIM!!!!!!
George - Do you not watch TV because QUR'AN prohibits it. IF YOU HAD WATCHED TV YOU WOULD HAVE KNOWN that the Police officers had gone to CAMA hospital to look up a Sub- Inspector of Police who was injured at VT Station (CST) unaware that it was such a major terrorist attack. The terrorist running from CST via CAMA hospital saw the police vehicle and fired on it with AK-47 killing all the three officers and three constables in the vehicle. One constable escaped death by acting as if his dead, and he is under treatment in hospital. The terrorist commandeered the Police Vehicle and was repeatedly shown on TV with terrorist spraying bullet at AAM ADMI. George are you dumb or is it that you are MUSLIM under false name!!!!!
Look into the mirror first
AK Singh, does George have to be a Muslim in disguise to call all this "a drama played by RSS, VHP, BJP, BD"? Are you too blind to see the sufferings of hundreds of Georges during the recent anti Christian riots in Orissa, or you're just a pathetic dumb super-hindu believing "A Hindu can not be terrorist".
BTW I am a sikh, and I've also suffered at your hand.
And yes I'm also a North Indian, who has been kicked and bruised by your Raj Thakery for being a North Indian in Maratha land.
The terror attack was a handiwork of RSS, VHP, Mossad. Proove me wrong.
Hey, some points I noted, 1.
Hey, some points I noted,
1. Terrorist told muslim name on their call to India TV
2. One of the terrorist had a yellow band on his hand, this is not seen anywhere on media before. Normally they have a turban, long beard, etc.,
3. Terrorists were drunk, if they are doing jihad for heaven, they should not drink by islamic principles
4. They spoke Marathi in Cama hospital
5. The only terrorist they caught was taken to some unidentified location within no time. May be police can make him speak all the languages he knows in front of a channel camera
6. Terrorist were selective in killing at Cama hospital
WHAT IF ONE PAKI TERRORIST WAS NOT CAPTURED ALIVE???
Even when ONE PAKI TERRORIST have been captured live and is disclosing the entire plan and Mr Shariff- the Ex-PM of PAKIs have confirmed the nationality of "KASAV" ( under PAKI ARMY pressure he may have changed his statement), the Indian Muslims have been spreading "canard" and rumours and even a MUSLIM CABINET MINISTER could not resist joining in, even though he could have walked up to the President of India demanding an investigation as she was a junior Congress Leader in Maharashtra when Anthulay was the CM of Maharashtra. I dread to think of the situation if NO TERRORIST were apprehended alive. I SALUTE THE MAHARASHTRA POLICE WHO MADE IT POSSIBLE FOR THE CAPTURE OF "KASAV" ALIVE AS THEY HAVE DONE A SERVICE TO THE NATION "FAR EXCEEDING IN IMPORTANCE THAN WHAT THE ENTIRE NSG DID AT TAJ". I HOPE THAT NO MUSLIM WILL COME OUT WITH A FINDING THAT ALL THOSE POLICE MEN WHO WERE INVOLVED IN CATCHING "KASAV" ALIVE WERE SUPPORTERS OF RSS/SHIV SENA.
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dear all,
my friend has done a excellent analyis of the so called facts.but unfortunately his analysis would not save the real people behind the mumbai attack- the ISI.
Can Be Brothers
@ above , its wrong 2 say so , they lived in Mumbai done the servey here, they must have learn't the Language, wats so wrong and Making it such a controvercial topic , the Newspaper can say wat they got 4m peoples .
Why not at least try to think on possible conspiracy theories?
Whoever kills a person [unjustly]… it is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind." (Qur'an, 5:32). Today, we join all Indians Muslims in expressing our outrage and our condemnation of this senseless spilling of innocent blood.
Nevertheless, their is a conspiracy theory for the gruesome incident, if you spare some time, not necessary you buy it :
Important question Who are the beneficieries of Mumbai Terror? Hindu fascist organizations at this time of election 1. Unlike other terrorists, Terrorists in Mumbai have not demanded anything specific? They don't demand release of their co-prisoners nor demanded money... why?? what was their target then? 2. Unlike other Islamic Jehadis with beard and turbans, why Mumbai terrorists came with strange look - they wore jeans and T-shirts; clean-shaved and no turbans nor any sign of muslims terrorists we normally watch on the biased media? 3. And the Terrorists attackers did nothing specifically for ruining western, even Israelis, it was sure if they were Jehadists! Their intention was to take hostages and take a ship and perhaps leave alive as assured by their directors 4. Assumingly beer drinking terrorists;?Jehadi terrorists and alcoholic? however Mumbai Terrorists goes to the cafe and drinks beer before they start firing?? is it? 5. Mumbai terrorists (as shown by media) had close similarities with RSS cadres: Mumbai terrorist wearing an yellow band on his right hand as RSS cadres wears normally (see pictures). 6. Mumbai terrorists immediately find their targets by killing ATS leaders [Hemant Karakare, CP Ashok Kamthe & Vijay Salskar)in early hours of their terror- did they know something?? How terrorists are so specific to clearly choose ATS officers? And the terrorist immediately disappeared from that scene? 7.Only one terrorists is caught alive (?), as all others killed as in every encounter in recent past? 8. Mumbai terrorists are very clear about their targets, they are well experience, about their hideouts in Taj and other places? 9. Prime Minister & Sonia initially visits Mumbai, but no clues or no claims about ISI or Pakistan.. However No. 1 terrorist, Gujarat CM Modi hurry-up to Mumbai and declares that Pakistan is behind the attack without any doubt! [because he is the one who hired them]. Note: no other CMs goes to Mumbai..And he offers rewards to every military men killed of 1 crore unlike PM and LK Advani? Ironically wife of the slain officer turns down his offer. Guys, he is eyeing for the highest post in India. God save India from Modi. Even he offers aid to MahaRastra! from where the hell money is pouring on him. Cheap publicity and stunts as he is famous for. 10. Media was widely reporting that there were IDs of terrorists recovered which shows Malaysian and Mauritious IDs however such references disappeared once Terrorist leader Modi arrived! He has good experience as he did in his Gujrat lab.
12. The timing of Mumbay terror is well planned as Gujrat riots were, just before main elections! 12. We are told that they came from Pakistan by sea? Indian military in the sea were all presumed sleeping?? How many contradictions? coincidences? should happen enabling to carry out such a massive feat? We are told they came by speed boats? Yes, but not from Pakistan but from Gujarat! 13. It took continous 60 hours to stop the terrorism! and most of terrorists as usual got killed and the remaining one will also die for sure since confessed to the coercion statement of involving other usual country, an excuse for inaction. I believe a naked truth is always better than the best dressed lie. But people like Modi believes, To be sure of hitting the target, shoot first and whatever you hit, call it the target later. Finally, One question comes to mind, Was it intelligence failure or intentional, intelligent failure?
mumbai terror a puccah work of pakis-dawood-isi nexu.
anybody who has read kaleem's article which pointed doubts towards hindu elements and definitely not islamic terrorists,itself proves that he lacks the least commonsense.the whole world watched the horror and the faces of slain terrorists.those faces resemble more of semitic features and than any those of indian hindu faces.kaleem's argument lacks depth when he says that one of the terrorist wore yellow band which proved that they were hindu terrorists and that too they were drugged.what a baseless argument!mr kaleem do you know even eunuchs would feel ashamed to have you in their group.dont you know this small thing any terrorist would disguise himself in various ways to do his task.the very arguments are in favour of dawood and islamic al qaeda circle.go and tell them they would use you to throw mud at all other faiths and people.people like you are like the aids germ which camaflauges itself;enters human body as a native cell and destroys immune system till he is dead.in this way islam,islamic terrorism andyour arguments just aids and aids' cells and nothing.you better get your eyes removed by an islamic terrorist and go blind for there is not worth for having vision for you dont see what is truth and false.the whole world clearly knows where exactly hindu elements are involved in terror attacks and where not.the world is still immune and shall fight back your islamic argumentative aids viruses successfully. no fool would go by primacie evidence that the terroists who had no turbans,beards, and were drunk were not islamic terrorists.the islamists who brought trade center buildings down also had no beards,wore T-shirts.and when quran prohibits the killings of innocent people why did they kill 3000 innocents in the wto center.it seems you are also deaf,all the world channels witnesses told that terrorists asked for briton and american citizens when they entered taj.you islamic goon those very terrorists killed jews at nariman house.who has utter animosity against jews is a muslim.it is pakistan mulims under laskar e taeba banner under the auspicies of isi and dawood responsible for mumbai terror.if you dont believe this keep barking this to every body on the net you would soon see the entire pakistan burning into ashes out of a nuclear holocaust.there will no be map of pakistan forever and the world will every be free of islamic terrorism. jai hind
Kaleemullah has some points some concoction.
Kaleemullah, you are a genius and your analysis has some excellent presumptions, asssumptions, concoction probably may prove to be true later on, pretexts for attacks, intriguing politics, extraordinary analysis. Why have you left out the Israli link to the tragedy. Please browse the following
web page.http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=333 to find out how much of the internet tells the truth and hou much of it is pure concoction.But Mr. Khaleemullah, whatever the terrorists (whether Hindus, Muslims or others did ) no religion approves the killingof the innocent even in revenge . A Muslim father whose daughter was raped by a Gujarati Hindu man, can not in revenge rape the daughter of a Gujarati Hindu because his daughter is innocent.. This is against Islamic law and religious practices of ALL MAJOR RELIGIONS. It is true that hundreds of mosques and other Muslim shrines were damaged or destroyed and makeshift Hindu temples were installed in their place in some cases. In Ahmadabad, the dargah of the Sufi saint-poet Wali Gujarati in Shahibaug and the 16th century Gumte Masjid (mosque) in Isanpur were destroyed. The Muhafiz Khan Masjid at Gheekanta was ransacked. Police records list 298 dargahs, 205 mosques, 17 temples and three churches as damaged in the months of March and April, 2002.
According to Human Right Watch estimate, 2,500 Muslims were killed in anti-Muslim riots in Gujarat in 2002. Some 1,223 Muslims were reported missing, 3,548 injured, 1,919 women widowed and 2,606 children orphaned.
An international fact finding committee formed by experts from U.S., U.K., France, Germany and Sri Lanka reported that “sexual violence was being used as a strategy for terrorizing women belonging to minority communities in the state.
If anyone says that November 26, 2008, Mumbai attack may be a reaction of killing of innocent people by Indian security forces, still Muslims based on strict Islamic principles can not accept this terrorist attacks killing innocent people.
May God Almighty bring peace to India and make the people of India co-exist peacefully.
MODI ATTACKED MUMBAI- HAPPY MOHAMMAD KALEEMULLAH
Modi the chief minister of Gujrath organized the Mumbai attack!!!!!!!!!!!! MUHAMMAD KALEEMULLAH Sab, I hope you are happy now. Poor Muslims were taken inside TAJ by NSG and shot!!! OK Happy!!! Bechara Muslims are the receiving end of HINDU TERRORISM every where in India. MUHAMMAD KALEEMULLA Sab, why don't you migrate to the most peaceful country in the world- PAKISTAN. After all it was the PROMISED LAND of Indian Muslims who feared prosecution at the hands of Hindu Majority. You will have perpetual peace there. Will PAKIS accept you??? The Indian Muslims and PAKIS must learn a lesson from their biggest enemies- the JEWS. The Promised Land of Israel is open to accept immigration of anybody who prove that they are of JEWISH origin. Then why is the PAKIS not accepting you??? Why is the Arab Muslim countries does not grant Indian MUSLIMS citizenship rights when even USA and UK gives you citizenship rights?? It is because INDIAN MUSLIMS, which include the PAKIS and Bangladeshis are the "CHAMARS" of Islam. Arabs Muslims are the "BRAHMINS" of Islam. So Arab Muslims do not want Untouchable "CHAMAR MUSLIMS" settling in in Arab country. So Muhammad sab, GET OUT IF YOU DO NOT LIKE INDIA. BUT THE SAD PART IS THAT NO ISLAMIC COUNTRY IS WILLING TO ACCEPT YOU!!!
Religion is nothing to do with nations.
For your information Mr Anonymous. At the highest level of religious
thinking, Islam is the only religion that does not recognize political
borders drawn by man for his selfish and jingoistic reasons.
There is unity of humanity, unity of the world and all are equal
in the sight of God. Should Islam be fully implemented in this world, the
political borders will automatically disappear. Crude nationalism
and cultural nationalism as religiously held by RSS and Savarkar,
according to Islam is a kind of Shirik that is associating
something with the Almighty God.
Based on this both Saudi
nationalism and the more horrible, dirty,racist Zionist nationalism,
both are wrong, blame the countries for this mess , do not blame Islam,
Islam is pure, simple, logical and full of social justice.
The Quran says, God Has created the humanity into tribes,
clans, and nations so that people can recognize each other,
but in the sight of God, those who are closest to God are
those who are righteous. If any Muslim Saudi or who does
not follow this, then he is violating the laws of Islam,
blame them, do not blame the beautiful teachings of Islam.
Passports and borders are man's creations. India allows Napalese
Hindus to come into India without visas, but expect Malaysian Hindus
to obtain visas paying about Rs 1200 per visa. Can we blame the Indian
Govt. for this restrictions on Hindus? Is it right or wrong
is a political question not divine. Do not mix up divinity
with dirty politics.
Promised land is a totally wrong Zionist concept. there is
nothing like this in Islam. It is your own imagination to
score extra point in a futile argument.
Ethnically Indian Muslims were Hindus and had been living
there much earlier than your forefathers. A change in
ideology does not mean that thay lose the right to the
land where they were born and brought up. You will not
ask communist Hindus to migrate to China or Russia or
Albania or Cuba. 99.9% of Indian Muslims love their country and
are loyal to India. There had been more Hindus who had
been caught spying for Pakistan and other foreign countries
( about 38 cases in the past 40 years) out of this
36 cases involve Hindus and only two involve Mulsims.
Simply because people are Hindus do not mean that
100% they are clean, honest and totally loyal to India.
There are good and bad people in all religions.
Hindus and Mulsims can live peacefully, if cummunalism and hatred
as people like you show, is totally killed.
Religion is nothing to do with nations.
If religion has nothing to do with nation then why Pakistan was created? Let look at your main issues -
Islam as a peaceful religion:
Does Islam respect the rights of other religions? Let look at the history of Islam, even at the roots of initial rise of Islam during Mohammad time. Show me the peaceful and bloodless Islamic movement? Who were the indigenous Pagans during his time? What Mohammad did to them? How Islam was spread from Saudi soil to east? How peaceful his crusade was?
Islam as a unified religion:
Why Sunni does not accept Shea? and Why Sunni and Shea do not accept other Muslims like Ahmedia, Vohras, Suffi etc sub-sects of Islam?
Secular Islam:
How many Hindu and Buddhist temples were demolished by the Islam crusaders? Does Koran forbid such actions? Show me a single major Muslims organization ever came forward and accepted these facts as a shameful history and actions by their past religious leaders and rulers?
I am not advocating fanaticism or revenge by Hindu. You know Hinduism is not a religion. It is an open ended philosophy. Even cast system is open ended and subject to change. May be majority Hindu do not know their own heritage or Vedic Philosophy but at least I know that Hindu do not do forced religious conversion because the spirituality and religion are two different issues. I am living in western country and I do not see a cast system here but I see a class system. Islam has its own class system too. Indian Dalits are treated unfairly by majority Hindus but Indians accepts that falits and are correcting the mistakes. If Indian Dalits want to becomes Muslim, just to be an equal then they should talk to Ahmedia and other sub-Islam Muslims of Karachi and Islamabad and see how they are treated by the majority.
Islam and Democracy:
Show me a true democratic Islam nation in the world. May be the Islam laws in Koran are against the open secular democracy or mullahs do not see their interest in it.
Minorities and their rights in Pakistan and India:
Let check the recent history. What was the Hindu population in Pakistan before the Partition and what is now? On other side look at the Muslim population in India?
I know majority of current Indian Muslims' parents asked or supported the partition before 1947. But even after that, majority Hindus forgive them and accepted their rights to stay in India. May be you consider that as a Hindu's weakness and stupidity for not behaving like Pakistan Muslims!
By the way, according to the Muslim standard, Mohammad-Ali Zina was not a Muslim. He was not welcomed to attend Muslim prayers after he walked in with his shoes in Lahore mosque!
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