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Report: Peace Conference in Mumbai
By Abdul Hameed, TwoCircles.net,
Mumbai: Somaiya Ground has rarely witnessed gatherings of this proportion that comprises people from different sections of the society- Muslims and non-Muslims, males and females. The Peace Conference called by Dr. Zakir Naik is continuing to attract thousands of people to the ground spread over 30 acres beside the Eastern Express Highway in Sion (East), Mumbai.
There are more people attending the conference this year as compared to the last year when the conference was on similar topic but in English. Topic of the conference is 'Islam: The Solution For the Humanity' but all lectures are in Urdu this year. The number of attndees increases when a popular speaker is scheduled or during weekend.
Approximately 30,000 males and females attend the program on daily basis with about 40% being females. Though most of the attendees are youths, children and aged persons can also be found there having come for various reasons.
Some say the gathering of so many ulamas and practicing Muslims refreshes their Iman (faith) and creates in them a motive to propagate the teachings of Islam even the least that they know. They take an inspiration from the speakers preaching to the audience the information about different aspects of Islam.
Abdul Qayyum of Balrampur, U P was very happy when TwoCircles.net asked him about his opinion. He said, 'when I came here I found a kind of peace that I am unable to express.' 'After listening to the speakers imparting knowledge to others I found myself inspired to do the work of Da'wah. Now I have intended to preach to others whatever I know about Islam,' he adds.
Maulana Muhammad Raees from UP who had come in the conference for the first time said that hearing the sayings of Prophet (saws) and the verses of the Qur'an makes my Iman (faith) refreshed.
Many came here to know more about Islam. They are Muslims that want to learn more about Islam, ulamas in search for listening from those who are of higher caliber and non-Muslims trying to know the true teachings of Islam.
Maulana Abdul Awwal Bastawi, a teacher in Masjid Madrasa Rahmania, Govandi, Mumbai says, 'when I attend such kind of conference it always creates in me an inspiration for self evaluation. Because there are many personalities more pious than me.' 'Such programs add to my knowledge as the speakers from various fields have more knowledge than me,' he adds.
Maulana Muhammad Raees says, 'the speeches are a valuable source of information about Islam for those who know nothing or have little knowledge about it whether they are from Muslims or non-Muslims trying to know about Islam.'
Males and females listening to the speakers have separate areas for sitting either in open air ground after Maghrib prayer till 10 pm or in the AC lecture hall.
The vast AC hall that is open from 10 am to 1 pm and 2:15 pm to 5:15 pm where in the speakers address in two sessions. With the capacity of 5,000 sitting chairs it has 60% chairs for males while 40% for females. The hall is almost full during speeches.
People who have interest in listening to the speeches are in the AC hall while some others have nice time in the Exhibition Hall. This hall is vast air conditioned hall wherein there are 200 panels and 50 models. They display the teachings of Islam, its history, Iman, pillars of Islam, prophets of Allah, the books of Allah, the works of Muslims in many fields such as calligraphy, architecture, science, medicine, astronomy, geology, geography, and other sciences, many sayings of the Prophet (saws), biographies of many Fuqaha and Muhaddiseen and the verses related to science are displayed with scientific realities. On each panel and model there is a volunteer detailing before the visitors about the contents of panels and models. He talks giving reference to the verses he recites and the hadees he reads.
Near to it are separate prayer halls for ladies and gents. These halls are not facilitated with AC. The water facility for making ablution and the temporary toilets are in good and clean conditions.
The temporary mosque for the males has the capacity that about 2,000 people can pray at a time. And usually prayer of Maghrib is offered three times daily.
Within the conference complex there are about 2,000 volunteers who devote their day and night for the conference. Therefore on every few steps one can easily find the volunteers for guiding the guests to their desired places. Ladies volunteers are 100 in number.
The conference with this splendid management is for presenting the real face of Islam as the solution for the humanity, before as many people as possible. It also aims at removing the misconception spread about the religion Islam.
Maulana Abdul Aleem Nadwi, working in the department of Qirat in IRF, when I asked him why IRF had called the conference, he counted many benefits of it. Among them is one that many people accept Islam after listening to the speeches. He also said that through this conference we are by the blessings of Allah able to present before the world the true face of Islam and tell them that Islam is the solution for whole humanity.
Peace Conference promo
Muhammad Maqsood of the media committee for the conference told that they started Peace TV channel through which they try to propagate the true message of Islam. He said that the conference is also a part of their Da'wah activities. Explaining about the need for the conference he added that for benefiting more and more people they intend to make a video of the whole program and then put it on their website. He also said that and they will let users download the video free from their website.
The most important characteristic of the conference is that about 23 representatives from all denominations of Islam were invited in it. But some of them for personal difficulties could not participate in the conference. Some of the people say that the conference is an example of the unity of the Muslim community.
The same opinion is expressed by Mamoon Rasheed Qasmi who says, 'when I came here and found the speakers of different denominations, I hoped that the Muslim community can one day surely come on one platform to work for the betterment of the humanity.'
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PROPHET ADAM WAS THE FIRST CREATURE OF HUMAN EVER IN THE WORLD
DEARS
AS THE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD BELEIVE, FIRST PROPHET ADAM WAS THE FIRST PERSON EVER IN THE WORLD AS WELL AS HE WAS A MUSLIM IN HIS ERA IN THE VIEW OF ISLAM.
PROPHET MOHAMMED WAS THE LAST PROPHET TO THE WORLD HUMAN AS WELL.
NOW THINK WHETHER ALL HUMAN BEINGS ARE BORN AS HINDU OR AS MUSLIM OUT OF A NATURAL PROCESS
THANKS IN ADVANCE FOR READING & UNDERSTANDING
A BROTHER
Any one can adopt Islam
Dear Brothers and Sisters,
I am not a scholor. But I have studied Quran. Some great scientists and philosophers have written that there is nothing inhumane or false in Quran. But AK Singh brought some verses which he has doubts.
The Quran is revealed to Prophet Muhammed within 23 years. Each and every verses, words have gone severe criticisms through out history. Still Quran Exists. It is only because Quran is Divine.
Please try to read Quran completely. You can chose any translation with details and explanations. If you have serious doubts you can contact a Muslim scolor or someone online. Even I can explain your simple doubts you have raised in your reply.
Quran says, all are created by God from single source (father and mother) and proclaim humanity among mankind.
Yesterday I heard that Michael Jackson embrassed Islam, as Cat stevens did before a decade.
Moris Bucaille, the wellknown medical scientists embraced Islam after reading the Quran.
I do believe that if Modi and like fanatic terrorists will embrace Islam, if someone is ready to call them to stright path and they are ready to accept the truth.
I once again call all the people to adopt ISLAM, which will give you PEACE, a perfect peace by submitting yourselves to God.
Regards
Prathiba
GOd's Side of the Argument
LET US GIVE GOD ALMIGHTY TO PRESENT GOD'S SIDE OF THE ARGUMENT
SINCE MANY OF YOUR READERS ARE ALL DRIFTING AWAY.
HERE BELOW IS THE GOD’S ARGUMENT;
In the name of the Most Merciful and the Most benevalent God:
Alim Lam Meem,
This is the scripture where of there is no doubt, a guidance unto
those who ward off evil Who believe in the unseen, and establish
worship and spend of that we have bestowed upon them,
And who believe in that which is revealed unto you- Muhammad and
that which was revealed before you, and are certain of the Hereafter.
These depend on guidance from their Lord. These are the successful.
AS FOR THE DISBELIEVERS. WHETHER YOU WARN THEM OR YOU WARN THEM
NOT IT IS ALL ONE FOR THEM; THEY BELIEVE NOT
GOD HAS SEALED THEIR HEARING AND THEIR HEARTS, AND ON THEIR EYES
THERE IS A COVERING. THEIRS WILL BE AN AWEFUL DOOM.
And of mankind are some who say: WE BELIEVE IN ONE GOD AND THE
LAST DAY, WHEN THEY BELIEVE NOT,
They think to beguile God and those who believe, and they beguile
none save themselves, but they perceive not.
IN THEIR HEARTS IS A DISEASE, AND GOD INCREASETH THEIR DISEASE.
A PAINFUL DOOM IS THEIRS BECAUSE THEY LIE.
And when it is said to them: MAKE NOT MISCHIEF IN THE EARTH,
THEY SAY: WE ARE PEACE MAKERS ONLY.
ARE THEY NOT INDEED THE MISCHIEF MAKERS? BUT THEY PERCEIVE NOT.
AND WHEN IT IS SAID TO THEM: BELIEVE AS THE PEOPLE BELIEVE,
THEY SAY, SHALL WE BELIEVE AS THE FOOLISH BELIEVE?
ARE THEY NOT INDEED THE FOOLISH? BUT THEY KNOW NOT.
And when they fall in with those who believe, they say,
We believe; but when they go apart to their devils they declare:
LO WE ARE WITH YOU WE DID NOT MOCK.
GOD DOES MOCK THEM, LEAVING THEM TO THEM TO WANDER BLINDLY
ON IN THEIR CONTUMACY
THESE ARE THEY WHO PURCHASE ERROR AT THE PRICE OF GUIDANCE,
SO THERE COMMERCE DOES NOT PROSPER, NEITHER ARE THEY GUIDED.
The Holy Quran SURA 2: VERSES FROM 1 TO 16
Islam
Sister Pratibha,
I think you have been blessed with guidance from Almighty Allah.Request you to read Quran with translation so that your faith in God increase with right way of spending your life.
By the way I want to ask u question that you have reverted to Islam, or u are yet to become muslim.
Islam
Sister Pratibha,
I think you have been blessed with guidance from Almighty Allah.Request you to read Quran with translation so that your faith in God increase with right way of spending your life.
By the way I want to ask u question that you have reverted to Islam, or u are yet to become muslim.
ALL HUMAN BEINGS ARE BORN AS HINDU.
Prathiba, Yes any one can adopt Islam but all human beings are born as HINDU. The child born as a Hindu has to be converted to the religion of the parents by BAPTISM/ SAHADA/ circumcision etc. It is only a HINDU who does not have to do anything to be Hindu as ALL HUMAN BEINGS ARE BORN AS HINDU OUT OF A NATURAL PROCESS. Hinduism is the oldest religion in the world which believes in worshiping nature. The Brahma (creator) The Vishnu (sustainer) Shiva (destroyer) and Shakti (universal energy) are all forms of nature. No GOD can save the human kind if air, water, sea, mountains, earth etc are damaged beyond repair and these are all Hindu Gods.
WHY DOES THE ALL RELIGIONS INSIST ON CONVERTING THE INNOCENT CHILD, WHO IS BORN A HINDU, BEFORE HE ATTAINS ADULTHOOD??? HOW ARE YOU SURE THAT EACH OF THAT CHILD IS HAPPY TO ADOPT THE RELIGION OF THE PARENTS??? WILL THESE RELIGIONS HAVE THE COURAGE TO ALLOW THE CHILD TO ATTAIN ADULTHOOD BEFORE CONVERTING THEM SO THAT EACH CHILD WILL HAVE THE FREEDOM TO ADOPT THE RELIGION AS HE PLEASE???
Conversion is the Right of Men/Women
I agree with you Mr. AK Singh. Let the people have the right to choose their religion. Let the learned propagate their religion. Let them be Hindu, Christian, Muslim or anything else.
Why should we are against conversion? People should have the Right to convert.
The first human being is Adam according to Christians and Muslims. I do not think he is a hindu who worships hundreds of Gods. Adam fully submitted to God. So he is Muslim.
Any sect, caste can adopt Islam. Means Brahmin, White, Black, 'Untouchable', scavenger, elites, rich, poor anyone. Those who submit to God are Muslims. He says, God is ONE. Mohammed is HIS prophet.
Krishna, Budha, Jaina all are prophets. Hinduism and Bagavath Gita are divine, as Christianity and bible. When the last testement revealed (Holy Quran) revealed to Last Messenger of God Mohammed, all the previous versions become outdated.
Islam is the perfect religion. Study it. Accept it. May God guide you to the Right Path.
Prathiba
And may God guide you to
And may God guide you to sanity!
Conversion is the right of men/women
Fine I was looking for this issue only. Actually I love a muslim girl, though she loves her religion she is willing to convert to my religion. i.e., hinduism. I think you people wont have any issue with this???
The Truth about Religion
Dear Xenium,
I am answering you as an individual. If one wish to change his/her religion they should have the right to do so.
Religion is not to show something, but in heart. If I am the one who submitted to GOD and follow HIS path, I am a Muslim. If I am killing others like Sadhvi and Purohit did in Melagaon, I am not a Muslim.
In short, religion is not wat you seen outside. Many Muslims are munafiqs - they are not obeying the orders of GOD. Many Hindus are not hindus, as they are not following the dharma. Do you think Dayanand Pandey Swami and Pragny Sadhvi are hindus?
You have to study about all religion and select the best. You have the right to choose, your religion. And your girl (above 18 years - matured) has also have the right to choose her religion.
I have no right to force you and you have no right to force your 'girl'. India is our Land and we are FREE to think and act.
ISLAM is Great. It is PEACE. Islam proclaims HUMAN RIGHTS. Whites and Blacks, Rich and Poor, Indian and Non-Indian, Brahin and Shoodra, all are EQUAL in Islam. ISLAM is GREAT.
Bharath Matha ki Jai. Do not colloborate with ISI and destabilise India.
Prathiba
May allah guide u and bless
May allah guide u and bless u.amin
I AGREE TO DIS AGREE!!!!!
DEAR PRATHIBA, ADAM AND EVE ARE FROM OLD TESTAMENT. If MUSLIMS had so much trust in OLD TESTAMENT why are the JEWS, CHRISTIANS and MUSLIMS perpetually at war with each other???? Haven't you heard about "CHARLES DARWIN" and the theory of evolution??? It took a lot of time for the CHURCH and by "YOUR" implication ISLAM to accept that the Earth went around the Sun and not VISA- VERSA. But haven't you herd about the AVATHAR of VISHNU- Matsya- Fish living in water, Kurma- TORTOISE can live in water and land, Varaha- the land animal, Narasimha- half human half animal, Vamana- call it HOMO ERRUCTUS, etc etc till KRISHNA- the wily, cunning human being that we are today. Doesn't the above AVATHARS resemble closely to what CHARLES Darwin proposed as the theory of Evolution???? So we all evolved over a time to be what we are today. BUT IF YOU BELIEVE THAT ALLAH/ GOD CREATED WORLD - LET THERE BE LIGHT AND THERE WAS LIGHT- HOW IT HAPPENED??? DO NOT ASK??? IF YOU ASK YOU ARE "KAFIR"- UNBELIEVER. DO NOT READ ANY FURTHER.
So the first human being was some body who prayed to the nature- thunder, lightening, wind, river, creator (BRAHMA), sustainer (VISHNU), destroyer (SHIVA), etc etc and not to one god, ALLAH, as you suggest. SO HE WAS A HINDU. THE FACT THAT HINDUS DOES NOT HAVE TO PERFORM ANY RITUALISTIC CONVERSION TO BE A HINDU UNLIKE JEWS, CHRISTIANS, MUSLIMS ETC PROVE THE FACT THAT ALL HUMAN BEINGS ARE BORN AS HINDUS. BUT HINDUISM BEING A MAGNANIMOUS RELIGION THAT IT IS, YOU CAN CONTINUE TO BE MUSLIM AND A HINDU AT THE SAME TIME!!!! IF YOU ACCEPT THAT THE PATH SUGGESTED BY MUHAMMAD IS JUST ONE OF THE PATH TO SALVATION. OTHER PATHS- HINDUISM, BUDHISM, JAINISM, SIKHISM, JUDAISM, CHRISTIANITY, ZORASTIANISM, TAOISM, AGNOSTISM, ETC ETC ARE ALL PATH TO GOD. ACCEPT THAT A GOOD HUMAN BEING IS "GOOD" IRRESPECTIVE OF THE RELIGION HE FOLLOWS AND A "RASCAL" WILL REMAIN A RASCAL EVEN IF HE CONVERTS TO "ISLAM". Remain a good Muslim. Wishing you all the best.........
Try converting to islam and see whether it changes you Mr.Singh?
Mr. AK.Singh says, quote. "ACCEPT THAT A GOOD HUMAN BEING IS "GOOD"
IRRESPECTIVE OF THE RELIGION HE FOLLOWS AND A "RASCAL" WILL REMAIN A
RASCAL EVEN IF HE CONVERTS TO "ISLAM". Remain a good Muslim. Wishing
you all the best........."
He is wrong. I invite him to Islam and then let us see whether his
mental constitution and character remains the same or not after conversion.
If he is willing to go through real TASAWUF based Islam, I am 100% positive,
he will turn a new leaf and get fresh, cool and peaceful breeze.
I also ask him to read the Autobiography of Malcolm X a black leader
of USA. Malcolm x was a drug pusher, a womanizer, a black racist,
a profligate, a gambler and was involved in terrorism and was
imprisoned, but in prison he read on philosophy and religions
and decided to become a Muslim. My God! WHAT A MASSIVE CHANGE
that Islam brought on him.
Malcolm X's Biography is simply wonderful, you will never put the book
down once you start reading it.It brings ahuge change in people who read.
So your contention Mr Singh, does not apply to all except to some stubborn
individuals.With determination and right thinking people do change.
SHOULD I CONVERT TO A SUNNI OR A SHIA MUSLIM?????
AQMAMIN Sab, Should I convert to a Sunni Muslim or a Shia Muslim??? If I convert to Sunni Muslim should I start killing Shias and should I kill Sunnis if I become a Shia Muslim??? Isn't that what is happening in Pakistan and Iraq and even in India on Muharram day there isn't there Muslim inter- caste clashes??? By the way I am neither a drug pusher, a womanizer, a black racist,a profligate, a gambler and nor am I involved in terrorism. Degenerate people need a full make over and changing the religion will help them.
AQMAMIN Sab, you need not convert to any other but just "NEED TO ACCEPT THAT ISLAM IS ONE OF THE PATH TO THE GOD AND NOT THE ONLY PATH TO GOD" to attain a "OM SHATI OM" state of mind which will make you pray for universal brotherhood &peace and NOT Islamic brotherhood alone. Accept that Hinduism, Christianity, Budhism, Sikhism, Jainism etc etc are all different legitimate path to god. JUST LEAVE OUT THE PART ABOUT "LA ILLAHI ILL ILLAHI" in your prayers and it will make you a happier man as you would be at peace with every one in the world.
In what caste will you place a German Hindu convert?
Your knowledge of Islam is excellent Mr. Singh, so you know exactly
what to do to become a Muslim. Sunny or Shiah is a political question,
just like a Muslim joining an Indian political party, you can be like
Ahmed Patil of congress, or like Shri Mohammad Salim of the Communist
party or like our buddies Mukhtar Abbas, Najma Heptullah or former
Arif Muhammad Khan of the BJP.
Shia sunny is a very small issue, just like our quarreling
between Shiva worshippers and Vishnu worshippers, between Gauda
Brahmin and Dravida Brahmin.
Do you know that India’s renowned Shia cleric Dr.Kalbe Sadiq offered
his Eid prayers in Lucknow behind a Sunny Imam just a few weeks ago?
Can you show a temple Puja when a Chamar cleric? ! And a Brahmin
Priest stood shoulder to shoulder and doing Puja to Lord Ram?
Think of the pollution and the consequences.
Incidentally, we want to ask you this:
If a German young lady comes to you and expresses her desire to
become a Hindu and asks a similar question that you ask us, that
is if I become a Hindu, in which VARNA or CASTE will you place me?
She says I want to be a Brahmin. Will you say, okay based on her
white complexion or will you have other criteria to put her under
the caste of Ravidasi, Chuhras, Jatau, Adi Dharmi, Chamar or Gauda
or Pancha Brahmin or other Brahmin subcastes such as Kanyakubja,
Utkala Brahmin. You got to give her the list of about 1,800 caste
names in alphabetical order and ask her to choose the caste and
stick to it so that she will have her reward and salvation in the
next birth.
Islam is the biggest success story in India in eliminating
caste barriers and enhancing the human dignity. I have seen
Chamars who became Christians having their own segregated burial
grounds and asked to be segregated by sitting seperately on a
segregated bench right in the church in front of their Lord.
Are they following the buried South African apartheid in India?
Hence even Christianity has failed to eliminate Caste
discrimination in India.
ISLAM ELIMINATED CASTE BARRIER IN INDIA????????
AQMAMIN Sab, which world are you inhabiting???? Are you an Indian???? Don't you know that there are MUSLIMS in India who are OBC- Other Backward Caste??? The Muslims of Kerala, who are the best educated Muslims of India are OBC. So much for your claim to "ISLAM eliminating caste barrier". Now WHY IS THAT AN INDIAN MUSLIM CAN BECOME A CITIZEN OF USA OR UK -the most hatted countries for Muslims- WHILE THE SAME INDIA MUSLIM- OF GREAT MUGHAL GLORY- CANNOT BE CITIZEN OF "SAUDI ARABIA", NOR OWN PROPERTY IN ANY ANY OF THE ISLAMIC STATES IN THE GULF REGION????? STILL YOU INSIST THAT THERE IS NO CASTE BARRIER IN "ISLAM". AREN'T THE ARAB MUSLIMS THE "BRAHMINS" OF ISLAM AND THE INDIAN MUSLIMS THE "CHAMARS" OF ISLAM??? IF NOT WHY THE DISCRIMINATION???
Yes!!! Yes!!! Hindus have many area of disagreement. But we do not kill each other. We AGREE TO DISAGREE UNLIKE MUSLIMS WHO INSIST THAT THEY ARE CORRECT AND IF ANYBODY DISAGREE - KILL THEM!!!
The German lady can chose to be of any caste she wants to be in- Many Hindus may NOT AGREE TO WHAT SHE WANTS TO BE. BUT THEY WILL NOT CERTAINLY INSIST ON KILLING HER BECAUSE SHE HAS VIOLATED SOME "STUPID STATEMENT MADE IN SOME SCRIPTURE BY AN IDIOT" BETWEEN 612AD TO 632AD AND WHICH WERE WRITTEN DOWN ONLY IN 645AD, BY SOME ONE WHO USURPED THE POSITION OF HIS SON-IN-LAW AND GRAND SONS. YES...YES YOU MAY HAVE VIOLENT OBJECTION TO WHAT I STATED AND "TWOCIRCLES" may not publish this comment but ..... facts cannot be hidden.
No facts, no law just non-sense.
My law professor used to advise me as follows:
When you know the law, talk on the law, if you are
not sure of the law, but you know the facts of the case
then you talk on the facts of the case, if neither you know
the law nor the facts, then you just keep talking non-sense
continuously.
You belong to the third category Mr. Singh, neither you know
the laws nor you know the facts, but you keep talking rubbish
continuously, with a sole intention of insulting others,
ridiculing, and uttering absolute illogic clearly indicating
the inferiority of your ideology and logic.
The first lesson you got to learn is to differentiate between
the principles of a religion given in the scriptures and the
activities of its adherents. Do not judge ANY religion by
the activities of its rogue elements(No matter who Saudis or the
King of a nation if he misrepresents righteous values)
but approach scholars to get the real and correct interpretations.
You do not know my decency and decorum, there is a difference
between the cultured and uncultured. I can not join your club
following your pavement dwellers culture of Bombay.
islam is a failed concept and itself a dangerous fascist caste
very nice you can beused to introduce the hindu social structure for any hindutva sabha.your attack on indian caste system does not hold ground as the pre islamic or pro islamic society was basically a slave society that drank on the blood of slaves for empire building.well,if a german woman wants to be a hindu she can be a german hindu.the solution is here and over.if am a hindu that doesnt mean i cannot be an indian,that doesnt mean i am a male,that doesnt mean i am a peon or manager in the capitalistic system.a banyan seed and a peepul seed take the same water,air,heat,earth but they vary from each other as two different trees though they are trees.you are asking both the trees to become one which is not the principle of nature.unity in variety is the principle of nature so with hindu society race or caste for diferent kinds of workd and had some problems but not as magnified by you. now let us dwel into political islam quran and mohamed. so quran created all humans from one pair and told to enjoy the wealth and the animal kingdom.so allah as per predestination law asked humans to enforce dictatorial rules over animals and make them slaves.that is the first qurans monopoly of destroying animals,trees and nature of their liberty and equality and fraternity.ho what a quran or piranah the readers must decide the castiest tendency of a muslims hegemony exploitin animal rights.so allah ordered cat to eat rat, mohammed to marry a woman like in the animal kingdom who is of his mother's age to copulate and enjoy her wealth.so allah ordered to kill all pig eaters which you are already doing in oberoi hotel, taj hotel,israel,in all the shia masjids,:so allah order to fcuk as many women as possible make them slaves by joking to be their wives just like osama the second child of a tenth wife so as to spread aids quickly in africa and asia.so allah ordered to blame hindus and butcher hindus for their social evils.who according to you and allah are not god'children.so allah and mohammed personally called the punjabi colloquial speaking islamic goons via satellite phone from hea(ll)ven to kill hiz own creationlike three young children of oberoi manager since they are hindus.so allah ordered you to kill jews and school children in beslan in chechen russia.so allah order you to cover your women under burakahs lest your own muslims rape them like ravening wolves.so allah created this world and escaped to heaven insted of staying with muslims,so allah is in heaven and not here.so one must believe that in islamic state true democracy survives.so lets us count how many muslims think they are one.yemen muslim,saudimuslim,pathanmuslim,afrid muslim,gujjar muslim,dictator muslims like saddam,musharraf,huq,gaddafi,somalia pirate muslim,indonesia muslim,shia muslim,sunni muslim,mental muslim,male muslim,female muslim,eunuch muslims,turkey muslims,but the trees,five elements arenot yet muslim,iraq muslim,iran muslim.most of these countries are contiguous to each other but they arenot one nations.now namakharam, andhewala, see, tamil hindu, telugu hindu,kannada hindu,marata hindu,brahmin,chamar hindu,north and south indian hindu, saivite hindu,vaisnavaite,sakthite,atheist jain,sikh, buddhist hindu, are all one nation which is even bigger than arabian peninsula.so dont bark about rotten islam and hitler mohammed which the world has to come to know finally with the todays bombay attack on hindus,jews,britons,americans and even hindus.u should shove your head up your arse for pointing at hindu society's mistakes when your own islamic fascism is being pooh pooed every where in the world.only sadists,morons,polygmists,gays like micheal jackson would join P...islam. ho what an islamic greatness when saddam ducked inside with the orders of mohammed and allah got f...cked by bush.such is muslim bravery.ho great sunnah saddam making experiment of chemical alis on kurds vaaareva...kya lavada bath hai.ho allah ordered carbombs continuously on innocent shias every day in iraq.that is islam..... ho allah ordered pakistani muslim to do chamcha giri to the u.s.who eat pig daily such is quranic hypocrisy.ho allah ordered musharaf to denigrade his lalmasjid kill or maim his fellow muslims in his own temple of worship.what a great religion that lacks the sense of democrtic spirit. if allah's creation is perfect why is there blood shed and it is certainly because of a muslim and not certainly of an innocent hindu or christian or a jew who keeps his worship secret and does not bark aloud causing sound pollution that allah is the only god and mohammed the last prophet by placing loud speaker atop the minarets.i would be happy to praise allah as one of the names of god but never through the dictats of highly powered virus programme.for me god allah is as sweet as krishna and as cool as jesus,as calming as buddha but i never believe the satanic words of mohammed the islamic manu in the eyes of hindu like me.jai salman rushdie, jai taslima nasreen for coming out of the clutches of casteist fascist mohammedanic quran. jai sree ram, jai jesus, jai buddha , jai allah, ekam sat vipraha bahuda vadanti.....truth is one the great call it by various names. tatvamasi,aham brahmasi, you are the pure soul not body, god and i are one-jesus. jai advaita vedanta,the lion of all philosphies and a tremor to monotheistic religions unbent like islam. two circle reader also study the character estimate of mohammed by swami vivekananda and also the evils of monotheistic religion like islam in the workd by dr radha krishan whose birthday is celebrated as teacher's day in india.
SHOULD I CONVERT TO A SUNNI OR A SHIA MUSLIM?????
AQMAMIN Sab, Should I convert to a Sunni Muslim or a Shia Muslim??? If I convert to Sunni Muslim should I start killing Shias and should I kill Sunnis if I become a Shia Muslim??? Isn't that what is happening in Pakistan and Iraq and even in India on Muharram day there isn't there Muslim inter- caste clashes??? By the way I am neither a drug pusher, a womanizer, a black racist,a profligate, a gambler and nor am I involved in terrorism. Degenerate people need a full make over and changing the religion will help them.
AQMAMIN Sab, you need not convert to any other but just "NEED TO ACCEPT THAT ISLAM IS ONE OF THE PATH TO THE GOD AND NOT THE ONLY PATH TO GOD" to attain a "OM SHATI OM" state of mind which will make you pray for universal brotherhood &peace and NOT Islamic brotherhood alone. Accept that Hinduism, Christianity, Budhism, Sikhism, Jainism etc etc are all different legitimate path to god. JUST LEAVE OUT THE PART ABOUT "LA ILLAHI ILL ILLAHI" in your prayers and it will make you a happier man as you would be at peace with every one in the world.
Swami Vivekananda Praises Islam.
Swami Vivekananda did massive research on religions
and released his findings on 10th June 1898 in a declaration
of principles. His findings included the following. Quote:
“Principles that we follow in our day-today life constitute
the philosophy of nature and will be a more acceptable
religious philosophy of the enlightened future generation.
Except in the religious ideology brought by Muhammad,
I do not see this aspect effectively and practically implemented
and well trenched. It is my humble assertion that,
though Hindu Vedic philosophies are immensely beautiful,
without the day-today practical applications and approaches
of Islam, they (Vedic principles) may not adequately
serve the humanity”
Hope Mr. AK.Singh and his friends ponder over these findings
when they talk about Hinduism being the religion of nature.
HAS ANY MUSLIMS PRAISED HINDUISM????
Swami Vivekananda may have praised ISLAM. It shows his magnanimity!!! But has any Muslim ever praised Hinduism???? HINDUISM is a religion being followed by millions of people- who have provided a safe haven to the persecuted religious minorities the world over from- Syrian Christians, Jews of Kerala, Parsees driven out from Iran, Armenian Christians of Calcutta, the Moppla Muslims, etc etc who were allowed to practice their religion freely. There is no nation in the world like INDIA- which has each and every religion practised in the world present in INDIA today. AK SINGH REPEATS AGAIN AND AGAIN- HINDUISM IS THE GREATEST RELIGION IN THE WORLD.
Accept it if you want!!! Hindus will neither "BURN YOU AT THE STAKES" nor issue FATWA against you if you do not accept it.
Muslims do appreciate good aspects of Hindusim Mr AK.Singh.
Mr.AK.Singh, have you heard about the genius,
the best friend of Nehru and one of India's
leading freedom fighters, ( he was imprisoned
for several years, he was in prison when his wife died)
who was the President of All India Congress for 5 years
and was the first Education Minister of independent India?
Read Azad's interpretation to Alfatiha (the Opening Chapter)
of the Quran ( about 170 pages, a great thesis on comparative religion)
in which he has praised the way Dr. Radhakrishnan has explained
Hinduism. Religions have several levels-
One at the lowest level and one at the highest level.
At the highest level, religions converge surprisingly.
Do not jump to conclusions. Religions can co-exist
with a bit of give and take without political interference.
Hindutva Hindus cannot produce anyone respectable
Don't make out that in India Hindus do not have rights or that the Congress, Left, and 'pseudo seculars' are supressing the Hindus. This is a canard spread by every Hindu fascist.
The rights of Hindu does not mean the right to raze the Babari masjid, the right to organise Hindu mobs to attack Muslims, the right of Hindus to burn Christian missionaries.
Hindu fascists will not say this openly, but this is what is in their mind when they talk about Hindu rights and Hindu pride. They also cover it up by making out that their Hindu fascism is patriotism.
When Hindu fascists are criticised for the atrocities they have unleashed, they start the familar moaning about India being the only country where Hindus have no rights ! This is the classical fasicst double speak, used to hide their criminality and seek respectability.
The basic frustration you have is that Hindutva Hindus cannot produce anyone respectable, let alone someone with the stature of Nehru ! Hindutva will always give Hindus a dirty name, and I advise you shun it.
Pandit of TCN is teaching Hinduism to Mr AK Singh (Hindutva)
Ambedkar described Hinduism as a system of graded inequality. Hindus have already invented secondary, tertiary and even untouchable citizens !! This is their core belief.
Hindus are the worst community in India. Brahmanical Hinduism has done the worst damage to India. Hinduism will always lead to a disintegrative tendency. Hindus are masters of dividing society into castes. Hindus have conflicts with Muslims, Sikhs and Christians In contrast, the Muslims integrated the country and forged India into a large nation.
I reiterate I don’t love Hinduism. Hinduism is what has held India down. Idolatry and caste system are not conducive to a modern society. Hinduism cannot be reformed. Conversion is the only way out. Ambedkar said it before me, but I arrived at the same conclusion in the last two years after studying Hindutva. I did not ask anyone to convert to Islam. Convert to Christianity. India will get education and support from the west – something many Hindus crave for !
I did not claim I like Hinduism. I did not say I disliked Hinduism. I said I acknowledged there are good Hindus. I have found that many are better than Muslims. I also said I shall defend your right to be a Hindu. But I have analysed what Hinduism has done for India and I have declared my reservations about it from that point. I disapprove of the promotion of idolatry and superstition. The caste system is a deplorable aspect of Hinduism, and it has chained India down for millennia.
I don’t know which garbage story you refer to. If you are talking about Ramayana and Rama, Pratibha has every right to enlighten us about it. It is this mythology that has created so much bloodshed and divisions between Indians. I know the outlines of the story, but I did not know things that other muslims brought up, such as fornicating with a dead horse.
However, I have seen Khajurao and there you have depiction of bestiality (man and horse). So it is credible. Since you keep telling us about lack of freedom in Muslim women, george did the right thing to tell us about temple prostitutes, sati and all the rest.
We are talking about India. If there are violations of religion in Pakistan, it is not relevant to what is happening to India. In India, it is the Hindu community that raises mobs and kills non-Hindu Indians (Sikhs, Muslims and Christians).
Most Indian historians (who are Hindus but not of the RSS variety) say Ramayana is a mythology. That millions of Hindus worship Rama is fine. I shall defend their right to do so. But the problem is when they trample on the rights of others by raising mobs to attack a mosque.
Belief in Ramayana is your right, but criminality is not your right just because Hindus are millions. Get it ?
Reply to AK Singh (RSS Hindu)
Let us look at women under Brahmanism.
Inequity and degradation of women are sanctified in the Hindu religion. Manu Smriti says:
"Never trust a woman.
Never sit alone with a woman even if it may be your mother, she may tempt you.
Do not sit alone with your daughter, she may tempt you. Do not sit alone with your sister, she may tempt you."
"Na stree swadantriya marhathi".
"No liberty for women in society".
Hindu friends tell me If you go to Banaras, you will see Hindu widows with shaven heads wandering around. Many end in prostitution.
Sati is Hindu widow burning. It was Emperor Akbar who first tried to ban sati. Later, it was banned all over India by the British. It required Muslim and Christian intervention to civilize the Hindus in their treatment of women. If it had been not for them, this practice would have continued unabated.
Sometime ago, there was a case of sati in Rajasthan. The VHP and RSS were extolling it. This is Hindutva – restoration of Vedic Hinduism ! Hindutva wants to return the Hindus to their former uncivilized state.
The Brahmins propagate the theory based in the Vedas that a woman who did not burn herself would never become free of being born as a woman again. If a woman's husband was guilty of the murder of a Brahmin or guilty of "ingratitude" - then the wife who died clasping his body was said to purify him of his sins.
The Times of India reported (14-9-87): Jaipur- "In what appeared to be a revival of a centuries-old custom of "Sati", a young woman belonging to a warrior caste of Rajasthan climbed into the funeral pyre of her husband, police said yesterday.
Eighteen-year old Roop Kanwar's husband, Mansingh, had died in a hospital in Kikar district on Friday, His body was later taken tohis home village at Diwrala for cremation. Roop Kanwar sat on the funeral pyre while it was lit by one of Mansingh ' s relatives. Hundreds of villagers who knew of her "Sati" well in advance gathered at the spot shouting slogans in praise of the burningwidow. Police, who claimed to have received the information late, registered a case against four close relatives of Mansingh for having "HELPED" Roop Kanwar commit "Sati".
Roop Kanwar's husband, Mansingh took more than Rs. 100,000 worth of dowry in the form of money, 25 tola of gold, a TV, a radio and a refrigerator. Though Mansingh had demanded dowry worth of 200,000 rupees,
her father had success-fully negotiated and reduced the amount to Rs.
100,000/=. So far in the same village more than 23 dowry killings have occurred in the last 3 years as recompense for not bringing the promised dowry in time.
The paper continues that the most revealing statement came from Mr. Cheeta Singh, a village teacher who said: "After all, she had no life to took forward to. As a widow, remarriage was out ofthe question in the Hindu tradition bound community".
The teacher continues: "The society treats a widow as a "kulachani" (an evil omen) and a economic liability. She has to remain barefoot, sleep on the floor and is not allowed to venture out of the house. She is slandered if seen talking to any male. It was better that she died, than live such a life ", he said."
Indians want to convert to Islam
Emperor Ashoka is one of the great emperors in ancient India. He embraced Buddhism from the prevalent Vedic tradition after witnessing the mass deaths of the war of Kalinga, which he himself had waged out of a desire for conquest. He was later dedicated in the propagation of Buddhism across Asia and established monuments marking several significant sites in the life of Gautama Buddha. (Modi and others including Lt. Col Purohit and Sadhvi Pragya Singh can follow the path of Ashoka)
Why did he leave the prevalent Vedic tradition? Was that tradition blood thirsty? We know that Ashoka born 2300 years before.
If Ashoka lived in this times, what will he do after seeing such bloody killings happened in Malegaon bomb blast, Mecca Masjid bomb blast, Nanded bomb blast, Samjotha bomb blast, Ajmer bomb blast, Gujarath genocide, Orissa and Karnataka riots. Do you think he will accept Islam?
Of course, I do feel that he will leave the present religion and he will accept a Peaceful way of life. All the Hindus should think about this matter very seriously. If Chandragupta Maurya’s grand son changed his heart after seeing a single bloody battle, what about normal Indians like us will do after seeing like raping a pregnant and slitting the wombs and picking the embryo in trishul? Hundreds burn to death, thousands killed by swords and many more massacred by riots and bomb blasts conducted by swamis, sadhus and sadhvis?
If anyone thinks, RSS and VHP is helping and supporting Hinduism, it is absolutely wrong. They are killing Hinduism.
I request you to propagate Islam, so that Hindus who are fed up with present Hindutva terrorism can take further step to embarace the PEACEful way of life. Help them.
Peacefull Islam?
Do you think that Islam has brough peace to India by killing thousands of Inocents from the ancient times by history of destruction of temples and building a vicious mosque on the top?
Babri Masjid, Mathura masjid and many more which are still standing as slap on Hindus pilgrimage of India is Peace work?
Shame on you if you still dont see Bias in Islamic way of life!
huh
hari hari
PEACEFUL ISLAM??????
PRATHIBA, if Islam is a peaceful religion kindly find out the meaning of the following verses of Qur'an.
Surah 3/28- Al Imran – Let not Believers take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than Believers.
Surah 4/117 -An Nisa- The Pagans call upon female deities. They call upon Satan.
Surah 5/51- Al Maidah – Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends.
Surah 5/82- Al Maidah- Strongest among men in enmity to the believers will you find Jews and Pagans.
Surah 8/12 – Al-Anfal- I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers. Smite you above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.
Surah 9/1 to 5-At- Tawhah- Declaration of immunity to Unbelievers and then slaying the Pagans.
Surah 9/29-At- Tawhah- Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the last day- Until they pay Jizyah.
Surah 9/30-At- Tawhah- Christians call Christ son of God.- Allahs curse be on them.
Surah 47/4- Muhammad- When you meet the Unbelievers smite them at there neck.
Surah 8/ 38 and 39- Al Anfal- Fight unbelievers.
Answering AK. Singh and his Warped Logic.
Mr. AK.Singh, You have taken the verses from the Quran totally out
of context and have used your warped mind set to discredit Islam..
What is given in the verses were applicable during the time
when Muhammad(saw) was fighting a war of survival.
WE MUSLIMS SWEAR IN THE NAME OF ONE TRUE ALMIGHTY GOD THAT IT IS
FORCEFULLY AND EQUALLY APPLICABLE TODAY IF THE ENEMIES OF GOD TRY
TO DESTROY MUSLIMS AND THEIR RELIGION. WE DO NOT DENY A WORD OF THE
QURAN and certainly applicable in the Zionist occupied Palestine
where the Jews are mercilessly butchering the original inhabitants
both Muslim and Christian Arabs.
Refer to the following from the sacred Hindu Scriptures and see
what happens if you take them out of context my brother Singh.
Are high caste Hindus allowed to kill the Shudra or an atheist? There is
no sin for murdering? Does Hindu scripture allow murder in cold blood?
Look at the way the filthy words used in the Gita to describe your wife,
mother and sisters. If you take all these out of context, you will throw
your own religion as a rotten egg Mr AK.Singh. Learn to go deeper into
scriptures an try to ask scholars the real meaning and history behind.
Do not try to show off as a great scholar.
I QUOTE:
“Killing of a woman, a Shudra or an atheist is not sinful.
Woman is an embodiment of the worst desires, hatred, deceit,
jealousy and bad character. Women should never be given freedom.”
Bhagvad Gita (Manu IX. 17 and V. 47, 147)
Are your mother and sisters dogs?
Is your woman untruth? Does it mean only man is truth?
But every woman is untruth. Come on man. Do not take out of context.
Go to the origin and see the history behind.
Similarly another holy script of Hindu religious book preaches
looking down upon women by terming a woman equal to a dog,
crow and shudra (a low cast poor Hindu who has no rights in Hindu society).
“And whilst not coming into contact with Sudras and remains
of food; for this Gharma is he that shines yonder, and he is
excellence, truth, and light; but woman, the Sudra, the dog,
and the black bird (the crow), are untruth: he should not
look at these, lest he should mingle excellence and sin,
light and darkness, truth and untruth.” –
Satapatha Brahmana 14:1:1:31.
You got to understand the entire Quran and the History of Islam
to interpret the meaning of the Quran. You will certainly go
wrong if your views are clouded and unfairly biased.
Destiny has brought Hindus and Muslims together.
Both communities will go along the path of destruction
by foolishly ridiculing and slinging mud on each others
religious scriptures. We can co-exist and live peacefully if
we destroy politicking and our ego. Take care. Kill your hatred
and prejudice Mr AK. Singh.
mr aqmanim u dont know hindu scriptures have smritis and srutis
your entire article shows how poor you are in sociological studies.there are two important things in the so called hinduism. they are smritis and srutis. smritis relate to societal administration and srutis relate to total spirituality and spirituality alone and they are upanishads.luckily the great hindus took all the care to protect spirituality both from religion and social pressures of every age. and as such it is called sanatan dharma.you fool first u come to know that there is no such creator god in this world.the problem with quran is this it is mixed with human social laws and religious practices and stuck in time unable to cope with the modern times.You have misquoted that manusmriti exists in bagavatgita.you fool first try to know that hindu society with all its mistake is the most successful society in the world.if allah and muhammed preached equality why the entire world is under asshole sheiks who are enjoying all the wealth of crude.is it for their scents and sexual excesses marrying hundreds of wives and keeing concubines trafficked from india.dont tell ak singh has spoken out of context.it is in quran itself the seeds of fascism.it is in idea and its implementation where we can say something abnormal has taken place. only mohammedanist fanaticism and hitler nazism are such worstcase scenarios where they or their followers took the idelogies into action causing mayhem.u come to india and see closely still manudharma exists all are happy with their castes and occupation and the dharma is increasing with the birth of great leaders like ambedkar to improve hindu society. muslim invaders never came like the first arabs for peaceful trade or like the great parsis they were poisoned with political islam. that is all. you tell me one thing why is iraq burning today sunnis killing innocent shias.is this islam.so you will see in future shias embracing hinduism or some other ism. brother let us stop here. i will discard my relgion or hindu but not humanism.in these colours of muslim and hindu or christian we are killing only human.to proclaim humanity no religion is neccessary.just be inspired by ur relgion and call me with love i will certainly respect allah and the mohammed and offer prayers in masjid.im a hindu but my scriptures took me to the heights of non dual philosophy.which is even beyond quran,bible,bagavatgita,.advaita vedanta is the only answer to the fights among dualistic faiths today.
90%of Indian Politicians Hindus and 60% of them are Criminals?
Mr; Chatrapathi, Goodday and regards.
Why are you exploding and erupting like a volcano without
understanding how the argument started?
The issue was that any scripture quoted out of context may
mislead the people, my argument was that it applies to all
scriptures Hinduism, Islam, Christianity and so on.
I was answering Mr. AK.Singh on this point and quoted
two teachings from Hindu scriptures, and said if taken out of
context would give a wrong idea I was neither
subscribing to the Hindu teachings nor attacking them because
I believe that to you your way and to me my way.
The rest of your article shows complete ignorance of the history
of religions. I do not want to stoop too low to your idiotic
ignorance and lower my dignity to your level.
Ask the Dalits of India the effects of Dr Ambetkar’s ideas and
why he gave up Hinduism and was stopped by Gandhi in converting to
Islam and out of frustration, he decided to embrace Buddhism.
Poor Dr. Ambetkar is no more with us. Hope he will have transmission
of his soul and reborn in India and see that the Dalits are still
segregated and are banned from temple entries and unable to drink
tea from the same cups used by the high castes in India.
Sunnis killing Shias is nothing to do with the basic principles
of Islam. You got to pose that question to Americans and ask them
how they are able to create pretexts, bribe and plot and kill Iraqis
of all sections, it is very much the same way Dr. Togadiah and his
associates and some fanatical Hindu Outfits such as Bajrang Dal,
VHP etc, committing atrocities killing the innocent people and
putting the blame on their adversaries.They could have easily
got away if the crimes had happened in Gujarat under the deceitful
leadership of a great leader.
Sanatan Dharma is no doubt a beautiful principle and again
read what Swami Vivekananda said about the impracticability
of that beautiful Hindu philosophy. I have posted the same on
this forum for your information.
Will any knowledgeable person blame Hinduism for high caste
Hindus killing millions of Jains in India for their rebellion
against the unacceptable Hindu teachings?
Will you blame Hinduism for uprooting Buddhists from India
(re-rooted them in S. E. Asia) simply because the great reformer
Buddha rebelled against the illogical teachings of Hinduism?
will you accept if non-Hindus argue as you have done, that the
above examples show the fascism and the cultural arrogance of
some sections of Hindus?
It is up to you whether you believe in the creator or not,
but your calling the believer in the creator a fool, shows how
intolerant yo are.
You are perfectly right in your observation that the Quran
mixes up social laws and religious practices, because Islam is
not just spiritualism but it is a complete and comprehensive way of life.
Your criticism of Arab sheiks, monarchs and their way of life
is nothing whatsoever to do with Islam, you walk around your
neighborhood and observe the sex lives of some of the rich Hindus
and the powerful politicians. 40%of India’s legislators and
Parliamentarians, according to our former election commissioner
Seshan have criminal records, 95% of them are Hindus.
Does Hinduism ask them to get involved in bribery, profligacy,
sex-crimes, pornography, loose life and illegal earnings and keeping
huge stolen sums in Swiss number accounts?
After all, one like you living in glass-house should watch out
before you throw stones at others.
Religions are pure, try to teach good moral values, charity, social
justice and help people to fight against oppression and injustice
but perverted people deviate from the true path due to selfishness,
greed, vanity and politics.
aksingh saheb pls admit aqmamin into a mental assylum
ther is a saying however hard you may wash rat's skin it will remain black only.how can we enlighten moorkhas like aqmamin who is incorrigible.mr aqmamin babu every society whether hindu or christian or islam or communist or capitalist has its own problems.ambedkar questioned high cast dominance and manu dharma not hindu spiritual ethos and dont ambedkar was a student of brahmin teacher.buddhism is no way different from its mother hinduism.ambedkar embraced buddhism for his personal reasons and never advocated his felow dalit hindus to do the same.he was well aware of the demonaical nature of islam and his comments on moppila muslim massacre of hindus were enough to show that he would have shrudded at the prospect of becoming a muslim. no body objected to his becoming a buddhist which is also an offshoot of hinduism.you told me that i had poor knowledge of history of religions. but definitely not as poor as you.In an islamic state when allah is the supreme then who are these bloody sheiks with multiples wives and concubines against allah.this is the proof that quran promotes the most dangerous dictatorship worse than nazism promoting monarchy,slavery,and lascivious sexual acts;fast spreading a.i.d.s. you criticise all religions, place bombs send suicide squads to unleash terror unto the world.but when salman rushdie exposes the myth of islamic utopia,you make noise like empty vessels.and immediately issue a fatwa against him.Ambedkar is the father of indian constitution,all societies are changing.hindu society will live longer than any islamic,captalistic,or communist society.but u dont accept salmanrushdie the ambedkar of islam, or the sufis or the shias.that is the crux of the problem.now i m coming to the point the hindus smritis manu smrti is not valid today for its invalid statements on society and women. but srutis like upanishad,all the nature worships , the gita will happily cherish under the most catholic banner of advaita vedanta(nondualism).the problem of quran is this it needs ammendment of those which speak against idol worshipers,infidels,jews,women,and creator god concept or dual philosphy denying nature its eternity.in other aspects quran is okay of hindus as vivekananda opined for its universal brother hood.quran should differentiate with manusmriti and rise to the level of upanishads which speak andlive only soul, soul,soul,or atman, atman , atman, atman, atman, alone.tatwamasi swetaketo,aham brahmasmi,prajyanam brahma,or allah is i i am allah, or sivoham or siva is i or i am siva;that eternal soul am i.he that hath seen the son hath seen the father also, jai jesus jai guru the great advaitist of semitic race for the first time. ram ram,
Ambedkar's Entire Speech on Hinduism
The following is the link to Dr. Ambedkar's Speech on conversion.
http://www.angelfire.com/ak/ambedkar/BRwhyconversion.html
For the benefit of your serious readers and some doubters it is
better that I give the link in which your readers can read the
whole speech of the great scholar and judge for themselves whether
it was Dr. Ambedkar's individual and personal decision to quit
Hinduism or whether he wanted to start a movement asking all his
followers and all the Dalits to consider his proposal.
I wouldn't be surprised if some of the perverted historians of a
sort argue that Dr. Ambedkar never ever made such a speech in Marathi.
Let Almighty God be the witness and after all to Him eventually
all the consequences.
There is nothing absolutely wrong in intellectual criticism of each
other's ideology and way of life as long as there is no deliberate
discredit, ridicule, mockery, vilification, demonizing and phobia
based attack. When a non-believer does that it is better for a
believer to have Sabar and withdraw from the argument, because
reviling each other's deity is a wrong thing in Islam. Interfaith
dialogue that helps building bridges of understanding is good,
provided that does not lead to mud slinging and animosity.
http://www.angelfire.com/ak/ambedkar/BRwhyconversion.html
Good it be if Muslims also convert to Buddhism like Ambedkar
Since many Muslims who write to TWOCIRCLES has expressed their appreciation of the conversion of Ambedkar to Buddhism, how exceedingly good for the world will be if all these Muslim friends also decide to convert to Buddhism and adopt the path of AHIMSA like Ambedkar and the great Ashoka did. In fact, the entire Muslims of the world could convert to Buddhism which would make the world a much peaceful place to live in.
Monotheism and Polytheism
Your idea would mean that man’s spiritual advancement going backwards.
If you deeply study the origin of the concept of God, the first human
race to be created and appear on the earth was monotheistic but later
on due to deviated wrong path people became polytheists in very many
regions such as Indian subcontinent, the Arab lands, in Europe and Latin
America.
Judaism was very much monotheistic but the concept of chosen race
destroyed its purity and Christianity was very much closer to
Monotheism except the idea of Trinity.
But Islam strongly advocated a very simple but strong monotheism with
unity of humanity and unity of God.
Buddha was silent about the existence or non-existence of God. It may be
that since India was drowned in idol worship and anthropomorphism that
a sudden step to monotheism would have been drastic and hence Buddha
may have chosen to remain silent on the issue of God.
But Muhammad (pbuh)who came after Buddha gave a very clear, vivid, straight
forward concept of the purest and perfect Tawhid.it means that there
is one and only God, one and the only creator, nourisher, sustainer,
protector, the most merciful the most benevolent.
So the Islamic approach to the monotheistic God is the most logical
and straight forward approach to the concept of God. In no other
religion this concept has been so clearly stated in simplest terms.
This is the adoring beauty of the final message-that is Islam.
Buddhism provided Dhamma or the ‘impersonal law’ in place of God.
The Hinayana sect could not hold out any promise of external help
to the people. The Mahayana sect taught that Buddha’s watchful and
compassionate eyes are on all miserable beings, thus making a God
out of Buddha. Many scholars consider the evolution of God within
Buddhism as an effect of Hinduism.
Many Buddhists adopted the local god and thus the religion of
‘No-God’ was transformed into the religion of ‘many-gods’ –
big and small, strong and weak and male and female. The ‘Man-God’
appears on earth in human form and incarnates from time to time.
Buddha was against the caste-system prevalent in the Hindu society.
Keep reading comparative religion until you get rays of light
on the straight path, it is difficult, the path is rugged at times,
but it is not impossible. If people are happy and comfortable with their
present faith, hold on to it but do not ridicule, discredit. mock and
deliberately insult the feelings of other religious people. According to
Islam God Almighty is going to judge people based the depth and volume
of knowledge that individuals possessed.
Had God wanted he could have made all the people believe in ONE and
Only God, He could have made all the people in the same colour and
speaking the same language and following the same religion. But He
has created us into nations, clans and tribes so that we recognize
each other, but in the sight of God, the one closest to God are not
the rich, not the Brahmins, not the Jews, not the Christians, not the
mighty but those who are righteous? And who are the righteous?
Those who believe in ONE GOD, those who do good works and those who
believe in the hereafter. The redeption is based on these three criteria.
These not not my words but the words in the Quran.
Take care, all the best.
WHY GO FOR CONVERSION? Speech by Dr.Ambedkar in 1935
why go for convesion? WAS THE TOPIC OF A SPPECH BY Dr. Ambedkar.
I am copying and pasting his actual apeech for the benefit of your
readers and critics like Mr. Chathrapati and AK.Singh. Let your
readers decide the sophistry of Mr. Chathrapathi.
I quote the exact words of Dr. Ambedkar from his speech made in 1935
at Nasik district, Maharashtra declaring firm resolve to change his
religion. He had declared that he was born as a Hindu but will not die
as Hindu.
“The untouchability is not a short or temporary feature; it is a permanent
one .To put it straight, it can be said that the struggle between the
Hindus and the Untouchables is a permanent phenomena. It is eternal,
because the religion which has placed you at the lowest level of the
society is itself eternal, according to the belief of the Hindu caste
people. No change, according to time and circumstances is possible. You
are at the lowest rung of the ladder today. You shall remain lowest forever”
“The Hindu religion is constituted on a class-concept. Hindu religion
does not teach how an individual should behave with another individual.
A religion, which does not recognize the individual, is not personally
acceptable to me.Three factors are required for the uplift of an individual.
They are: Sympathy, Equality and Liberty. Can you say by experience that
any of these factors exist for you in Hinduism?”
“Such a living example of inequality is not to be found anywhere in the
world. Not at anytime in the history of mankind can we find such inequality,
which is more intense than untouchability... I think, you have been
thrust into this condition because you have continued to be Hindus.
Those of you who have become Muslims, are treated by the Hindus
neither as Untouchables nor as unequals. The same can be said of
those who have become Christians”...
“That God is all pervading is a principle of science and not of religion,
because religion has a direct relation with the behaviour of man. Hindus
can be ranked among those cruel people whose utterances and acts are two
poles apart. They have this Ram on their tongues and a knife under their
armpits. They speak like saints but act like butchers..”.
“if you have to cleanse this filth and make use of this precious life;
there is only one way and that is to throw off the shackles of Hindu
religion and the Hindu society in which you are bound.The taste of a
thing can be changed. But the poison cannot be made amrit. To talk of
annihilating castes is like talking of changing the poison into amrit.
In short, so long as we remain in a religion, which teaches a man to
treat another man like a leper, the sense of discrimination on account
of caste, which is deeply rooted in our minds, can not go. For annihilating
caste and untouchables, change of religion is the only antidote.”
Untouchables are not Hindus
“What is there in conversion, which can be called novel? Really speaking
what sort of social relations have you with the caste Hindus at present?
You are as separate from the Hindus as Muslims and Christians are.
So is their relation with you. Your society and that of the Hindus are
two distinct groups. By conversion, nobody can say or feel that one
society has been split up. You will remain as separate from the Hindus
as you are today. Nothing new will happen on account of this conversion.
If this is true, then why should people be afraid of conversion? At least,
I do not find any reason for such a fear”..
“According to me, this conversion of religion will bring happiness to both
the Untouchables as well as the Hindus. So long as you remain Hindus, you
will have to struggle for social intercourse, for food and water, and for
inter-caste marriages. And so long as this quarrel continues, relations
between you and the Hindus will be of perpetual enemies. By conversion,
the roots of all the quarrels will vanish... thus by conversion, if
equality of treatment can be achieved and the affinity between the
Hindus and the Untouchables can be brought about then why should the
Untouchables not adopt the simple and happy path of securing equality?
Looking at this problem through this angle, it will be seen that this
path of conversion is the only right path of freedom, which ultimately
leads to equality. It is neither cowardice nor escapism”.
QUOTED FROM THE SPEECH BY DR. AMBEDKAR. in the year 1935
ho allah convert aqmamin from islam to save the world
helo aqmamin let us discuss each other's religions openly rather than becoming terrorists killing innocent lives.that is the best idea kept before us in this forum.keep it up.this has been the indian tradition in the past too. to settle score through intellectual debates rather than through the show of physical prowess which also happens the same in the scientific circles. let us fight now.you told that ambedkar pted out to leave hinduism.that is where you exactly ate pig meat arguing that it was beef.ambedkar waged war against inequalities in the society that is hindu.that is all and which had nothing to do with hinduism.and for that no upper caste hindus issued fatwa against him instead accepted his constitution but what did you do to salman rushdie for his Satanic verses when he went against islam or taslima's lajja exposing the male chauvinism of mohammed. the islamic manu in her novel.these are most popular than ambedkar speech on hinduism in the world.why have you forgotten his speech on islam when mallu muslim killed innocent hindu in the malabar mopilla massacre.that itself is a proof that ambedkar shrudded at the prospect of converting to islam.untouchability is civil problem.we have solved it successfully.you have only seen the divisions of hindu society with you dualistic religon as strength.but i have the unity and greatness of hindu society with my nondualistic spiritual approach.what is the difference between you and i is only outlook. unity in diversity is hinduism and diversirty in unity is islam.the whole semitic and european society was based on slavery but hindu society based itself on division of labour which later had its faults like untouchability.which was not as grave as it had beeb potrayed by you in the article.if islam were equality why would there be coups in islamic countries giving rise to saddam,musharaff,and such other notorious criminals of fascist islam who say all are eual but they are more equal.i have told you many times in the article that you dont know difference between religion,spirituality and social structuring.communism and capitalism have hundres of problems.i have never seen a peon and genral manager sitting side by side all through their lives or kissing each other for eternity.so they are divided so capitalism will not survive. such is your argument most foolish that can fetch guiness award for sophistry after zakir naik. already you are a fool by being a ignorant musliam you want to make other fidayeens of oberai hotel by inviting them to political islam.do that baba.also train them in suicide attacks,carbomb technology,kafir killing,jihad,etc. very nice. by theby also train them to throw mud at jews,hindus,christians telling them mohammed is the only person who had spiritual experience who told god was some where in heave so all must be killed.to quicken the process of going to heaven. please do that quickly so that world would be free of political islam that started from the ignorant speeches of mohammed.please convey my wishes to laskar e taiba karachi commander (you know that i dont know his name , but i know that u know his name?just for laughts)for propagating islam in the oberai hotel,cst terminus,taj hotel.ho islam, great islam, damku dama hai jamku jama,ho mohammed great islam the desert islam ,the sand islam,hai hai naika, come on people to oberai for heaven take islam eat islam live islam.islaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam.
God's Side of the argument.
The above posting under the subject GOD'S SIDE OF THE ARGUMENT IS
MEANT FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU MR.Chathrapathi. Please read it if you haven't
read it. There is no compulsion in religion. It is up to individuals
to accept and continue to live in a particular way of life or change
to a different way of life should thay feel agitated.
After all one day all of us will meet our creator on a huge Day of
Judgment when God Almighty will decide between us.
Still, intellectual arguments can be continued only if both
parties refrain from intellectual fraud, warped mind and indecency.
I leave it to the readers to decide whether you have violated more
of it or I have violated more of the decency and decorum in a discourse.
I copy paste once again the God's Argument as Muslims believe
for the benefit of readers like you. With this I close my argument
as I do not want to violate my religious convictions.
Alim Lam Meem,
This is the scripture where of there is no doubt, a guidance unto
those who ward off evil Who believe in the unseen, and establish
worship and spend of that we have bestowed upon them,
And who believe in that which is revealed unto you- Muhammad and
that which was revealed before you, and are certain of the Hereafter.
These depend on guidance from their Lord. These are the successful.
AS FOR THE DISBELIEVERS. WHETHER YOU WARN THEM OR YOU WARN THEM NOT
IT IS ALL ONE FOR THEM; THEY BELIEVE NOT
GOD HAS SEALED THEIR HEARING AND THEIR HEARTS, AND ON THEIR EYES
THERE IS A COVERING. THEIRS WILL BE AN AWEFUL DOOM.
And of mankind are some who say: WE BELIEVE IN ALLAH AND THE LAST DAY,
WHEN THEY BELIVE NOT,
They think to beguile God and those who believe, and they beguile
none save themselves, but they perceive not.
IN THEIR HEARTS IS A DISEASE, AND GOD INCREASETH THEIR DISEASE.
A PINFUL DOOM IS THEIRS BECAUSE THEY LIE.
And when it is said to them: MAKE NOT MISCHIEF IN THE EARTH,
THEY SAY: WE ARE PEACEMAKERS ONLY.
ARE THEY NOT INDEED THE MISCHIEF MAKERS? BUT THEY PERCEIVE NOT.
AND WHEN IT IS SAID TO THEM: BELIEVE AS THE PEOPLE BELIEVE,
THEY SAY, SHALL WE BELIEVE AS THE FOOLISH BELIEVE?
ARE THEY NOT INDEED THE FOOLISH? BUT THEY KNOW NOT.
And when they fall in with those who believe, they say, We believe;
but when they go apart to their devils they declare: LO WE ARE WITH
YOU WE DID NOT MOCK.
GOD DOES MOCK THEM, LEAVING THEM TO THEM TO WANDER BLINDLY ON IN
THEIR CONTUMACY
THESE ARE THEY WHO PURCHASE ERROR AT THE PRICE OF GUIDANCE,
SO THERE COMMERCE DOES NOT PROSPER, NEITHER ARE THEY GUIDED.
The Holy Quran: SURA 2: VERSES FROM 1 TO 16
DID AMBEDKAR CONVERT TO ISLAM????
Ambedkar opted to convert to Buddhism which is a "magnanimous" religion like Hinduism which claim that it is just one of the path to the GOD. Buddhism MAY CLAIM THAT IT IS A BETTER PATH than Hinduism is UNLIKE ISLAM WHICH CLAIMS THAT IT IS "THE ONLY PATH TO GOD AND DEMANDS KILLING ANYBODY WHO DO NOT AGREE".
QUR'AN CHAPTER 8: AL-ANFAL Verse 12
Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."
ALL THE MAJOR RELIGIONS OF THE PRESENT DAY WORLD HAVE EITHER ORIGINATED IN INDIA OR THE ARABIAN PENINSULA. ALL THE RELIGIONS WHICH ORIGINATED IN INDIA LIKE HINDUISM, BUDDHISM, JAINISM, SIKHISM HAVE A COMMON CHARACTER IN THAT THEY CLAIM TO BE JUST ONE OF THE PATH TO GOD. WHILE ALL THE RELIGION WHICH ORIGINATED IN THE ARABIAN PENINSULA FROM JUDAISM, CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM INSIST THAT THEIR PATH IS THE ONLY RIGHTEOUS PATH TO GOD. All the strife in the present day world is the consequence of the actions of the people who believe in the religions which originated in the Arabian Peninsula. If all of the convert to Indian religions- NOT NECESSARILY HINDUISM- this world would become a better place to live in. Imagine if all the Muslims were to convert to BUDDHISM and practice "AHIMSA", what a pleasant place this world will be.
Ambedkar loved islam but a hidden hand bolcked him.
ambedkar really loved Islam and really wanted to convert to Islam as people can read and understand from Ambedkar's writings, if he had been converted to Islam together with a few million of his caste people, India would have faced a big security problem and bad communal killings and riots, ambedkar was explained on this matter and he was begged by senior national leaders not to do that, and a strong hidden hand stopped him from becoming a Muslim, so ambedkar made one of the biggest blunders in his life, because the untouchables,the Chambar( dr ambedkar was a Chamar)and other Harijans and Dalit would have had their liberation by now if they had become Muslims, ambedkar and several thousand became Buddhists but they could not change their castes, you come to my country sri lanka and see the Buddhist temples one for high castes one for low castes and no entry for low castes into some temples, it is the same thing that they practised in the 1930s, 1940s . no change in their lives.Look at the condition of Chamar origin who became Muslims, 200 years ago, how much respect, courage and dignity they have and how the world islamic brotherhood is ready to help them, they are part of a community of 1,400 million people ready for jihad to protect them should a bad situation warrant.
INDIAN MUSLIMS ARE CHAMARS OF ISLAMIC WORLD!!
SIKKANDAR Sab, The Indian Muslims are the Chamars of Islamic world!!! Why else is that the Arabic Gulf Countries treat you as untouchables??? Why don't the ARAB COUNTRIES give you citizenship rights which is even extended to Indian Muslims by even USA and UK??? Hinduism is a religion of India only- SO THE BRAHMINS AND CHAMARS OF HINDUISM are IN INDIA ITSELF. BUT, FOR ISLAM- THE ARAB MUSLIMS ARE THE BRAHMINS AND THE INDIAN MUSLIMS ARE THE "CHAMARS".
SIMILARLY WHY IS THAT NOT EVEN A SINGLE CHRISTIAN OF INDIAN ORIGIN HAS BEEN THE POPE EVEN THOUGH THE FIRST CHRISTIANS ARE THE ONE'S CONVERTED BY St THOMAS IN KERALA?? AGAIN INDIAN CHRISTIANS ARE THE "CHAMARS" OF CHRISTIANITY, WHILE THE EUROPEN CHRISTIANS- ESPECIALLY ITALIAN CHRISTIANS- ARE THE BRAHMINS OF CHRISTIANITY.
Samajha karo yar, apna aukad samjha karo. The earliar you accept it the better it is for you.
WHAT ABOUT PAKI AND BANGLADESHI POLITICIANS????
AQMAMIN Saab, What about Paki and Bangladeshi politicians who are 100% MUSLIMS.??? The present Paki President is a pardoned convict and the Bangla Politicians are also neck deep in criminal activities.the son of BEGUM KHALIDA ZIA, the last PM of Bangladesh is in Jail for criminal activities abetted by KHALIDA. AQMAMIN Saab, Do you intent to claim that MUSLIMS do not indulge in corruption and criminal activities????? If religion could wipe out criminal activities this world would be better place to live in. The Pope mounts a high pedestal AND delivers discourse on SELF LESS SERVICE RENDERED BY CHRISTIANS while the SWISS BANKS CONTROLLED BY CHRISTIANS ACCEPTS "BLOOD MONEY" CREATED BY SNATCHING FOOD FROM THE STARVING MILLIONS. SWISS BANKS WOULD HAVE EVEN ACCEPTED THE 30 SILVER COIN JUDAS GOT FOR BETRAYING JESUS. POPE IS A SILENT SPECTATOR WHILE ISSUING STATEMENT ABOUT MINOR INCIDENTS IN ONE DISTRICT IN INDIA.
EVERY RELIGION IS AS GOOD AS THE PEOPLE WHO FOLLOW IT. UNFORTUNATELY THE CONDUCT OF MUSLIMS THE WORLD OVER SUBSTANTIATE IT. Followers of Islam which claim to be the most peaceful religion in the world are the perpetrators of most of the violent activities in the world. Again see the Pakis. SUNNIS AND SHIAS KILL EACH OTHER AND TOGETHER KILL THE AHAMMADIYAS AND IT ALL HAPPENS IN AN ISLAMIC REPUBLIC. SO BUZZ OFF.
Most of Indians are peaceloving: Stop your Venom on Muslims.
Most of Indians are peace-loving; Stop your Venom on Muslims Mr AK.Singh.
Your last paragraph is proved totally wrong after the cat is out
of the bag in India right now. The security forces knew all-along
but dare not say that almost, repeat ALMOST, all the terrorist
activities placed in the account of the Indian Muslims have been
in fact the handiwork of Hindutva terrorists who were raised,
nourished and protected by the like of Advani, Singhal, Katyar
and Togadia ever since the Ramjanambhoomi movement started.
Now we know who the master minds are and who are the so-called
India Mujahidin, SIMI, Lashkar and HuJI in India, NONE OTHER
THANTHE MYRIAD HINDU TERRORIST ORGANISATIONS like 1. VHP,
2. BAJRANG DAL, 3.DURGA VAHINI, 4.HINDU VAHINI, 5. RAM SEN,
6.HINDU MUNNANI, 7.HINDU JAGRAN MANCH, 8. ABHINAV BHARAT,
AND THE LIKE WHOSE EVIL TENTACLES are spread all over the
country, they have taken regular military training, sometimes
openly at the hands of serving as well as retired army officers.
Are you not perplexed when the National Security Advisor of
India said that Hindu terrorist have made inroads into the
Indian army. Now we know the truth about the so called PEACE
you talk about.
The ultimate aim of the Hinduva forces to capture the State
and unleash a Nazi-like fascist regime under which all unwanted
elements will be purged in the Hitler’s Holocaust style practiced
in Gujarat and Orissa. This is not politics; this is survival of
the people 99% of all religions who are peace-loving and innocent.
Please read the recently released book written by the former
Top Ranking Police Officer of Narendra Modi..
His name is RB. Sreekumar (Former State Director General of Police).
“The Diary of a Helpless Man” is the Title of this book.
He describes. Modi’s Government as cruelly communal, and its
officers, sophisticated sycophants, the police most corrupt,
he says, communal killings were masterminded by Sangh Parivar.
He quotes Modi telling the police top brass not to interfere
in the Hindu retaliation in the aftermath of Godhra on Feb. 27 2002.
Sreekumar himself heard them shouting
“ Ye andra ki baat hai, police hamara sat hai” This is the Hindu Police,
With bad intentions, Muslims are left out in the army and police.
The world knows the reasons behind.
Peace loving and duty conscious officers like Rahul Sharma and
Sreekumar were asked to shut up and were transferred.
Sreekumar says how Modi tried to use intelligence department
and ask him how Haren Pandya was shot dead?
Who was behind the conspiracy?
Sreekumar also says that Modi’s office has a phone tapping
device bought from another world rogue state Israel
( the Price Rs FIVE CRORES)
Come on man, you are talking utter rubbish out of ill will
and prejudice about Muslims being terrorists and Hindus being
peace loving. Please do some honest introspection of yourself
and your followers before you blindly and ludicrously blame others?
Cospiracies are not going to succeed indefinitely because God
Himself is the biggest and the Best Conpirator.Truth certainly comes out one day.
AND VOTE FOR "SECULAR FACADES - AQMAMIN SAAB!!!!!
AQMAMIN SAAB, Since you are convinced that all the blasts that happened in India are the handy work of "HINDU TERRORIST" keep voting for the SECULAR FACADES who have contrived to keep the MUSLIMS of India under their CHAPPALs.
Wishing YOU a prosperous life ahead!!!!!!!!
We go for a party-less democracy in India
I am not convinced that "ALL THE BLASTS" that is your expression,
but I said ALMOST,, I have repeated the word ALMOST in capital
letters, I hope you understand the difference between ALL and ALMOST.
I will never say "ALL" because I know that no community has
100% tolerance level in India when the community is horrendously
attacked, butchered, their women raped, slaughtered, persecuted
and discriminated.
There is bound to be some unavoidable revenge attacks by some
rogue elements due to anger, pressure and agony.
But on the whole a minority is a minority in any country
with all its weaknesses, inabilities and fear.
This has been the case in almost every country where the
rogue elements of majority bully the minority.
There are about 100 Terrorist outfits in India, and it is next
to impossible to pin the responsibilty as soon as a tragedy
occurs, simply because politics take a vicious role.
Unfortunately I never vote because I do not believe in a party
based democracy. We can go for a party-less, individual morality
based democracy in India by deregistering all the political
parties and burning their labels and symbols and flags.
It is an experiment worth trying to root out political party based
terrorism in India.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN QUR'AN AND GITA?????
FRIEND AQMAMIN SAB, I appreciate your knowledge of HINDU scriptures. But kindly understand the difference between a Hinduism and Islam. As a Hindu I do not have to follow any Hindu SCRIPTURES INCLUDING GITA to be Hindu. I do not have to even pray to any Hindu GOD to be a true Hindu. I can pray to a TOOTH BRUSH- OOM TOOTH BRUSH AYA NAMAHA!!!!- AND I WILL STILL BE A HINDU. OTHER HINDUS MAY CALL ME MAD BUT CERTAINLY NOBODY WILL ISSUE A "FATWA" OR THREATEN TO KILL ME FOR PRAYING TO THE TOOTH BRUSH.
BUT SIR, A MUSLIM HAS TO STRICTLY FOLLOW EVERYTHING WRITTEN IN QUR'AN 12 CENTURIES BACK TO BE A TRUE MUSLIM. EVEN IF YOU SO MUCH AS EVEN QUESTION ONE VERSE IN QUR'AN AND THERE WOULD BE FATWA ISSUED AGAINST YOU FOR KILLING YOU. Get the difference. There is no coercion in Hinduism unlike ISLAM who insist that they alone are correct and forcefully argue that everyone else is WRONG. SO SIR, WHAT IS WRITTEN IN HINDU SCRIPTURES THOUSAND OF YEARS BACK BY SOME "IDIOT" WHICH HAS LOST IT'S RELEVANCE IN THE PRESENT DAY WORLD ARE REVOKED ONLY BY SOME "STUPID MUSLIMS" FOR ARGUMENT SAKE, AS MOST HINDUS HAVE NOT EVER READ IT IN THEIR LIFE TIME. CAN YOU AS A MUSLIM MAKE A SIMILAR STATEMENT AS I HAVE MADE ON SOME OF THE OBNOXIOUS QUR'AN VERSES WHICH WERE RELEVANT DURING BATTLE OF BAD'AR BUT HAS LOST IT'S RELEVANCE IN THE PRESENT DAY. I DARE YOU!!! IF ELSE BACK OFF!!!!
Peace be upon you brother/sister in humanity
Brother/sister
i want to tell u 1 thing that u hv misunderstood the quran.if u want 2 understand qur'an in true way then u hv 2 make ur heart clean frm all kind of jealousy.the verses u hv provided are very clear.but u want 2 hide the truth, so u hv given only one verse frm many.first the verse in which allah has ordered that don't make non-muslims as friend means that don't make them friend when security is needed.don't tell them ur secret other wise they will harm u.and 2nd the verse in which allah said kill kafirs means in the battlefield.4 more explanation of this verse read tafsir ibne kathir which is easily availabe on net www.abdurrahman.org.and the verses in allah has cursed jews and christian is bcoz they had hidden the truth.in tafsir bk u can easily find ur answer.but if u r a man with negative thinking against islam and muslims then no one can guide u except allah.i will not give reply to ur any question again.if u want to understand then read bks on prophet muhammad(p.b.u.h.) in hindu scriptures by dr. ved prakash upadhyay and muhammad(s.a.w.) aur bhartiya dharmgranth by dr. Srivastav.
May allah guide u on true path.
Aameen
OM SHANTI OM- AL-AMEEN SAAB
Al Ameen saab, thank you for your guidance on the Verses of QUR'an. You are a wise man and understands the relevance of the Verses but there are many Muslims who take the literal meaning of many Verses of Qur"an which "seems" to support violence against people who do not believe in Islam. So why is there not a gathering of wise muslims like you where it can be declared to the world that the relevance of some of the VIOLENT verses has been lost. These QUR'AN Verses should be then place them under "suspended animation" and Muslims the world over told that not following these Verses of Qur'an will not make lesser Muslim.
But Saab, you have conveniently forgotten to elborate the meaning of the following Qur'an Verse. Would you kindly do same.
QUR'AN CHAPTER 9: AL-TAWBA (REPENTANCE)
Verse 29 (madina)
Ahmed Raza Khan: Mohammed Aqib Qadri:
Fight against the People given the Book(s) who do not accept faith in Allah and the Last Day, and who do not treat as forbidden what is forbidden by Allah and by His Noble Messenger, and who do not follow the true religion, until they pay the tariff with their own hands with humiliation.
Yusuf Ali:
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
JIZYA: MEANING: FIGHT IN SELF DEFENCE
Mr Anonymous: Please read my above comments to
Mr AK. Singh It gives a brief answer to you also.We have
in this forum answered several “ANONYMOUSES” I am
sorry to which unknown label you belong to. It is immaterial.
We got to answer you.The Quran is an open book.
All of the Quranic statements are mutually complementary.
You have to understand them as part of one integral whole,
Do not separate it from its historical context..
So you have to understand that the Quran has said in so
many places that war is permitted in Islam only in
self-defence.
In the case of verse 29 from Sura Repentance that you have
quoted, it means that Fighting is relevant only in the case of
aggression committed against the Muslim community or state
or in the presence of an unmistakable threat to its security.
Refer to Hudaibiya Agreement. How the non-Muslims broke it.
JIZYA: Whenever freedom of Islam is in danger, every able bodied
Muslim is liable to compulsory military service. This is a religious
obligation in an Islamic State.
But non-Muslims who do not subscribe to the ideology of Islam
can not be expected to assume a similar burden. But an Islamic
State should give them complete protection. So in order to compensate
the Muslim community for this unequal distribution
of civil burdens a special tax is levied on non-Muslim citizens
( called Jizya).
So Jizya is no more and no less than an exemption tax in lieu
of military service. But mind you Jizya was charged only
on able-bodied non-Muslims who if were Muslims could have
served in the army.
Non-Muslim women, children, old-men, sick and crippled men,
priests and monks did not have to pay Jizya in lieu of military
service. All non-Muslim who volunteer for military service
were also exempted from the payment of Jizya.
The amount of Jizya was less than the amount of Zakah payment
by Muslims.In fact the Muslim contribution to the public
treasury was much greater.
HOW CAN YOU EXPLAIN QUR'AN 9:29 AS YOU HAVE DONE???
AQMAMIN Saab, How can you explain the meaning of Qur'an 9:29 the way you have done??? The Verse is quite specific in it's language.
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
1. Where does war and able bodied men come in the Verse??
2. What about able bodied Muslim Men who did not join the war??? Did they pay JAZIA???
3. Why should a Non- Muslim feel "subdued" when paying a tax to protect himself??? Shouldn't he be happy that the Muslims are fighting to protect him and he has just to pay the tax and NOT UNDER GO ANY OF THE HARDSHIP CONNECTED WITH WAR???
4. WERE THE ABLE BODIED MUSLIMS WHO DID NOT JOIN THE WAR MADE TO PAY JAZIA????
5. Isn't the first line itself misleading?? "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger."
6. AQMAMIN Saab, an extremely learned and wise man like you would understand the "integral Whole" OF QUR'AN but there are many amongst the MUSLIMS who are not blessed by ALLAH with such wisdom. SO ISN'T IT TIME THAT WISE MUSLIMS LIKE YOU EDIT OUT ALL SUCH OBNOXIOUS VERSES FROM QUR'AN WHICH ARE LIKELY TO BE MIS- INTERPRETED BY "FOOLISH MUSLIMS" WHICH WILL SIMULTANEOUSLY REDUCE THE ANXIETY OF "IGNORANT NON- MUSLIMS" LIKE ME.???
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