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India: Beyond the age of terror
By Kashif-ul-Huda, TwoCircles.net,
A lot has been written already and lot will be written in days and weeks to come about terrorism in India. Lots of advices have been offered and some more will be made public by commentators. Some will argue for Indians to be united, others will ask for stringent laws. For some solutions will be to replace the UPA government with the one run by the NDA and even a strong leader like Modi to be in charge. Hang Afzal Guru and make that a lesson for the future terrorists is one suggestion but the latest I read was to have "more overt and covert policing of the minority community."
As a Sanskrit saying goes 'vinaash kale vipreet budhi" which roughly translated means your intellect works against you during the time of destruction. This is what has been happening in India. For many reasons, it is a critical time in India's history but all our leaders and intellectuals can offer us are patchworks of solutions, if they are solutions at all. Some solutions, like the policing of minority community are wrong at so many levels that if implemented will make the situation worse than what is it now. For India to move forward and grab the destiny that it rightfully deserves we all have to think beyond our prejudices and think of solutions that go beyond our self-interests, regional interests, and communal interests, to become national interests that offers a vision for global peace.

Let's start by looking at what we want for India to achieve in international stage. We all want India to become a superpower but without a clear definition of what it means and when will we know that we have achieved that status. In the multi-polar world we can not be the only superpower so what in reality we want to see is for India to become a global power so that we can influence world opinion and protect our interests as well as push a vision which we believe is important for the world. This does not mean only protecting our trade interest but rather having some moral values and ideals that will drive our international policy which will help us win friends and become a moral leader. We still need to work out a moral agenda that will help us become a world leader. India led the non-align movement but in the new world scenario it can be justice, end to poverty, and end to extremism where the world needs leaders and India can play a role in it. But for that to happen we need to have a neighborhood policy and lot of work need to be done at home.
The only superpower of this time, United States of America has two neighbors that it shares its borders with. Canada in the north and Mexico in the south have friendly relations with the United States and it doesn't expect any threat from either of these two countries. Similarly, former Soviet Union by force and bribe was able to create a buffer zone around its borders. India on the other hand has unresolved differences or disputes with some of its neighbors. We need to resolve our differences with our neighboring countries – China, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Sri Lanka. To play a bigger role on world stage we need to be confident that our rear guard is well protected. This can happen only when our neighbors are also feeling safe and know that they expect to gain from our enhanced international standing.
It will also mean that it is in India's interest to provide all the assistance it could to make sure states around us do not become unstable or failed states. We have to invest in programs that will generate economic activities and build institutions and provide more interaction between countries so anti-social elements are not able to spread hate among people to push their own agenda of chaos and anarchy.
This can be achieved when we have a confident India and that can happen only when we have developed a consensus within the nation on our long term and short term vision for the country and the people. We have to be sure of the continuity of our policies though political parties can be voted in and out of power. India is a nation where there are hundreds of languages and thousands of dialects are spoken. All major religions of the world have found a home in India and culture that changes every fifty miles. For India to survive as a nation we need to have ideals, morals, and vision that all Indians can identify and agree with. Like our freedom struggle we have to lead another grass root level struggle that will inculcate these ideals in our lives.
All the communities in India need to realize that all of them are set to gain from this new vision of India that we are forming. No one should feel that they will be left behind in the path to progress. There are plenty of actual and perceived grievances and all can not be addressed but they as a part of the country should have the opportunity to present their case.
Again, to make India a world power we have to make sure that India itself is free from violence and disturbances. Rule of law need to be strengthened and court systems overhauled to speed up the process of seeking justice. All violent crimes especially violence for political ends which includes riots and terrorism should be dealt with strongly and fast-tracked so that timely justice is served. Indian government should also ensure that all children are given quality education and everyone has right to live their life with dignity and according to their traditions.
Panchayati Raj system gives power to the people in running their affairs; this should be strengthened so that it can empower marginalized communities to improve their lot. RTI act has made it possible for common man to gain information from the government; further transparency will only strengthen the governance. While encouraging people's participation in the government this will also ensure that public servants are accountable to the public that they are supposed to serve.

A significant portion of problems in India has to do with misunderstanding and mistrust between Hindus and Muslims. Both communities need to understand each other and that the suspicion and hate that has begun to grow between the two is not good for India. Hindus need to realize that declaring India as Hindu Rashtra will mean that they are prepared to let go of large parts of India and they will be content with a smaller land mass that they can call Hindu India. Other problem is that next fault lines of Hinduism will begun to appear and regionalism will creep in and the visions that Thackeray family has for Mumbai will be repeated in other parts of a smaller India leading to further breakup or severe conflicts.
People who champion Hindu Rashtra cause offer no solution for the problems of communities of other faith existing in India. It is not possible for such a large number (at least 200 million) to be transported out of the country, converted, or even killed. So let's find an alternate vision for India where everyone wins not some.
Hindus have to sit down with Muslims and listen to them and also present their complaints to them. They will realize that Muslims love India not less than Hindus of India. Yes Pakistan is a Muslim country but so is Bangladesh and Malaysia if you don't suspect Muslims of supporting other Muslim countries then why would they support Pakistan. So all this misconceptions about Muslims need to be investigated. A simple analysis can easily counter propaganda that Muslims will outnumber Hindus in India in few years. Rumors like this keeps Hindus in perpetual fear of a minority but as recent events has shown this fear may result in monstrous violence.
Muslims need to realize that there is a great mistrust of them by Hindus in general. They need to open up their madrasas, mosques, and community and invite people of other faith to visit them, ask those questions and have an opportunity to interact with them. Muslims also need to check growth of extremism amongst them. Increasing interest in religion is one thing but extremism that thrives on hate for others' faith is against the teaching of Islam and practices of our elders. Those who are involved in criminal activities and in some instances become community heroes and leaders need to be identified and reported to the authorities. We can not afford to tolerate any illegal activity in our midst.
We all have multiple identities depending on faith, region, language, etc. but we all are also a human being and Indian. As a citizen of this country we all have certain rights and duties. As we demand our rights we also have to check whether we are fulfilling our duties. We have to promise that there is nothing that we will do that acts against the nation or humanity. We will not do any fraud for some quick bucks, we will be honest in all our dealings, and we will do the job that we are hired for to the best of our ability. We also have to promise ourselves and the nation that we will not take or give bribe however profitable that may be.
In this complex world where everything is linked together only an integrated approach can work and the change we hope to see in the world has to start from us.
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Poverty is not the cause of Islamic terrorism, neither is Quran
A terrorist is similar to a serial killer or a rapist. Why should we bother about the economic / philosophical / sociopolitical reasons for his murders ? Does it make any sense ?
What we should be worried about is how such a murderous person got hold of guns, money and political backing to carry out his secret games of pleasure.
Just because you are poor/uneducated, you don't go about killing people. Just because some weird verse in a religious book instructs you to do so, you won't do it either. (And with the proper interpretation, no such verse exists even in the Quran). Human beings are not mindless robots.
Human society can never accept individual acts of murder and rape, but this will become acceptable if it believes in two things (1) we are a group of people completely pure, virtuous and shining (2) our group is under attack and subjugation by filthy outsiders.
I have no problem with either (1) or (2), but taken together they provide social acceptance to murderous people. Specifically amongst Muslims, there is a vast majority of people who subscribe to such black and white views. (1) Islam is the purest religion and the only way to God, every other religion is a falsehood (2) Muslims are under attack all over the world.
Neither (1) nor (2) is an intellectually motivating idea, but taken together they can be as lethal as RDX. It is time that this form of hate-speech is eliminated amongst Muslim communities worldwide.
We should note that this hate-speech is not unique to Muslims. Counterparts of this hate-speech exists in Hindutva (1) India is the only fountain of wisdom and learning for the world : atom bombs and space ships were all invented in the Vedas (2) Hindus have been slaughtered throughout history by culture-less Muslims, and they continue to be slaughtered today.
It is this form of hate-speech that provokes people to do murders, not poverty and not religion. Let's be realistic and eliminate hatred. Otherwise, there is no hope for humanity. (I elaborated on this idea in my blog, please visit and leave comments).
Cause of Islamic Terror: A Counter Argument.
REPLY TO ONE MR VAKIBS ON ISLAM AND TERROR:
No group is completely virtuous, pure and shining in any religion. There are virtuous and vicious individuals and misguided groups in all castes, religions, clans and nations.
So what are you deriving at? You seem to make aharmless statement and then you ask people to read between lines and eventually condemn Islam indirectly.
Your assumption that vast majority of Muslims subscribe to what you describe as 1 and 2 are scandalous and horrendously biased subtly supporting the RSS ideology.
Nothing wrong if a religious group( Muslims or non-Muslims) strongly believes that their pure monotheism( or polytheism) is pure as long as they tolerate the co-existence of all other religions which do not subscribe to the pure monotheism.
This has been so for hundreds of years in India until politicians poked their dirty noses into the religious practices of people.Your analysis is simply base-less.
Take for example, a group of people believing and practicing homosexuality as not immoral nor unnatural, and another group holding an opposite view, both co-exist without killing each other… same thing applies to religions, but you are blaming Islam for holding strongly to a particular monotheistic doctrine and indiretly telling people that Muslims are more wicked.
Your discriminating idea about the form of hate speech is also totally lop-sided..
There may be a few misguided Muslim individuals who may involve in the sort of hate speech, but do a thorough research on the speeches of senior Mulsim intellectuals and Muslim scholars in India and be specific who made such hate-speeches.. but you cunningly avoid that sort of hate-speech by senior leaders of the Hindutva forces made openly and boldly because they know that the minority community can be cowed and made to submit to the will of the majority.
You mention it but in the next line you are contradicting as if the Muslims were the perpetrators of all terrorism. This is simply impossible in India. Look at the dimension of terrorism carried out by Hinduva forces in demolishing Babri Masjid and in the 2002 Gujarat Massacre, we still get the ripple effects in tiny measures by some desperate Muslims.
You seem to be less knowledgeable on the sort of state sponsored terrorism widely prevalent in the world, not sponsored by the so called hate speeches of the Muslims but the hate-speeches of the so called great western leaders of the shining democracy of the West. See the destruction that they have caused in Iraq based on lies and false pretexts.Now the Americans say we did it because of false intelligence...You can kill 13 lacs people and put the blame on failed intelligence.
“Hindus have been slaughtered throughout history by culture-less Muslims, and they continue to be slaughtered” is a terribly biased and sweeping accusation by a strong Hindutva guy like( but you are well disguised) You are capable of a good cover up by mixing vice and virtue and sophistry to make the gullible get confused.
I am sorry to say that your knowledge of world history and the history of Islam is very limited. Read the world history written by the first Prime Minister of India and see what he has to say about the culture of Islam and the culture –less Christians butchering and slaughtering non-Christians including the Jews during the three crusades and in countries in South America and Spain in the name of Jesus Christ.
Would you call those who killed millions of Jains, Buddhists culture-less Hindus? Would you call those who uprooted Buddhism from its birth place culture-less Hindus? Would you call the slaughter between the Shiva and Vishnu worshippers culture-less?
Killings had been taken place in history in the name of religions, no religion is an exception on this. For the deaths of how many millions was Hitler( a brother in arms with our Indian Aryan brothers) responsible? Was he a cultureless Christian? Or a mindless brute?
Deep understanding and penetration of history will prove that Islam had been much more humanely benevolent in world history compared to so many other faiths. You do not have to go too far, just visit Palestine and see the death and misery that the Zionists have caused and are causing in the name of Judaism and cultural nationalism that our BJP is fond of in India.When Indian Muslims shed tears for their Palestinian brothers, you call it extra-territorial loyalty, when Tamil Hindus do it for the terrorist outfit LTTE, it is an approved act feeling sorry fot the plight of co-religionists. Come on man, be fair,
You write well, but you are deliberately biased and or poorly knowledgeable on the colonial history of western powers who still believe that divide and rule is even today a workable formula and the Western culture is the one and the only superior culture, all of us subscribe to it or remain savages for ever.If Muslims oppose it based on their ideology, they become international terrorists.
Beyond the age of terrror.
Hi kashiff,
You think what you wrote is a balanced piece on the issue. You know India used to be called 13th Arab state.Today Muslims arre fighting against nariman point and killing Jews in India!!The SAUDIES are hunting birds with American wives in pakistan with one district reserved for each of them while their hangars on are hunting hymens of pakistani girls.Why our south asian Muslims have come to this sorry pass?
You as an enlightened patriotic indian Muslim must think and learn from our history and read again the letter of 12 Indian Muslim Intellectual wrote to UN in 1952. Can i as an Indian christian cry about the rape of a Nun in Orissa and killing of 50 christians etc or find why it happenned, why a 85 year old Hindu swami was killed in his ashram by AK47s?One can talk about 3000 Muslims killed in godhra or it happenned after 50 Hindu pilgrims burnt in train.The essence is why MIM in Hyderabd is not doing anything about DARGAH-E-JIHAD-SHADAK or why the ex SIMI actrivist could fire at cops and escape or why MIM LEADER OWAISSI first went to the house of A mUSLIM CONSTABLE WHO KILLED HIS SUPERIOR OFFICER 18 years back and paid 3 lakhs as the FIRST ACT AFTER DEATH OF HIS FATHER?
It is the duty of patriotic Indian Muslims to answer it instead of finding fault with indian state and cry about malagaon probe.Karkare is no more today killed by a LET operative while it is BJP's Modi who was gunning for his blood and creating false rumours about his son.
MUSLIM UMMA as propounded by Zakr Naik under influence of SAUDI ARABIA should not be watched by Indian state but by Indian Muslims. But if they think SAUDI ARABIA 's caliphate is correct , then there is no hope for india as super power.
to all muslims who feel
to all muslims who feel victimized in India can go to arab land as they will gladly take you ... India is fed up with appeasing you ... when you say there is injustice then look around we are not a developed country where only you are neglected ... look at our laws where even rape case goes for 10 years ...before cribbing about malegaon ... before cribbing about ayodaya check how many temples where erazed since first invasion of muslims that is fact enough for all hindus to kill muslims but are they doing so ... and they wont .. hindus largely are secular baring those who you have quoted above.
If you are looking for rightful place in india then work hard like SRK\Aamir\APJ et. al ... this country needs all to work to realize it's full potential otherwise leave.
I know you are professional whinners and wont improve ...
Hindu Brethren's,Be Sensible....
My Country men,Muslims are the victims of inequality existing in our society,this fact has been re-enforced by the justice sachaar committee report(Please read the report),As a matter of fact this report wasn't collaborated by muslims...
when ever muslims call for equal rights and privileges of an Indian...Its been ignored and what makes me more sad and sick is,some of my own country men doesn't bother to ponder on it rather in haste ruthlessly mongering for migration...
Whom are you calling for migration,calling Indians to migrate to Pakistan and Arab countries...R you not Ashamed to say it!!Its appalling...Don't humiliate yourself.I call upon my Hindu brethren's to be more sensible and human....Better Stop sending these immature statements,...Its better for us and for our great nation....
OMAR SAB - WHY BLAME HINDUS FOR MUSLIMS PLIGHT????
OMAR Sab, Why are you blaming Hindus for the backwardness of Muslims?? What did the Hindus do for the following backwardness of Indian Muslim:-
1. The educated middle class Muslims went to Pakistan in 1947. Only the Landlord and Poor Muslims stayed back in India. The Landed Muslim aristocracy had a vested interest in keeping the poor Muslims as a vote bank and Illiterate.
2. Education is the light that leads people out of poverty. The illiterate Muslims got left out of economic progress because they were not educated. Even a Choukidar who can understand English and replay in broken English gets better paid than one who cann't. Why blame Hindus.
3. Muslims not accepting population control resulted in POVERTY. It can be explained with an example. A first generation Hindu and a Muslim couple commence separate business each with Rs 100/- each, and made TEN TIMES profit and had Rs 10,000/- after 20 years. Since the Hindu had only two children the Second Generation Hindu inherited Rs 5,000/- each the Muslim who had 5 children got only Rs 2000/- each. Technically the second generation Hindu children are economically 2.5 time better than the second generation Muslim Children. But is it the fault of Hindus????? The second generation Hindus Rs 5000/ goes up TEN TIMES to Rs 50,000/- and the Muslim child's fortune also goes up TEN TIMES to RS 20,000/-. The third generation two Hindu children inherits Rs 25,000/- each while the five third generation Muslim children inherit only Rs 4000/- each. THE ECONOMIC DISPARITY GONE UP MORE THAN SIX TIMES. YES, THERE ARE HINDUS ALSO WHO HAVE MORE CHILDREN. THERE PLIGHT IS NO BETTER.STARVING HINDUS OUT NUMBER MUSLIMS IN INDIA AND THEY ARE NOT GIVEN ANY SPECIAL PRIVILEGE that Muslims do not get. Yes India has starving BILLIONS.
4. Muslims Fanatic urge to project separate identity. Even computer engineer earning more than Rs 18 Lakh per year- he is not economically backward- supporting terrorist activity.
So the Muslims must educate themselves, adopt population control and integrate rather than persist in maintaining separate identity. The perpetual complaint of persecution from a community who ruled India for more than 800 years is shameful. Aren't the Indian Muslims capable of taking up the challenge at least when an African American- who were bred and traded like cattle and who did not get voting rights in USA till 1965- has reached the White house???? WHAT A FALL FOR A PROUD COMMUNITY WHO RULED INDIA WHEN AFRICAN- AMERICANS WERE SLAVES AND TRADED LIKE CATTLE. YOU MUST READ THE BOOK- ROOTS- BY Alodus Huxly- to understand the suffering AFRICAN AMERICAN underwent in USA when MUSLIM SULTANS WERE RULING INDIA. SHAME ON YOU THAT YOU HAVE REACHED A STAGE OF BECOMING BEGGARS, BEGGING FOR RESERVATION!!!!!
Anonymous- why is this arrogance?
U call us beggars for seeking our rights..no problem my religious beliefs and my patriotism does not allow me to curse/brand any of my Co-Indians with abusive nature...If my fellow Indians are beggars, how long are the other Indians immuned??
Yes I have read "Roots" This book is a testimony to the role of ISLAM in the process of eradication of slavery,Islam and Muslims played a significant part in the uplifting of human kind with particular reference to slavery.......
Yes it is possible in America where the 44th president elect is an Afro-American,Ironically 44 years ago An Afro-American was denied the fundamental right to cast their votes.......
It is possible due to their upholding of justice....JUSTICE IS THE PRE-REQUISTE OF PEACE,.Unfortunately this is lagging in our country..Why double standards??Why are the Sachaar committee recommendation's are not implemented yet??Muslims are always treated has an head count for votes but not has an equal humans/Indians by our politicians and fanatic Hindus...
I was appealing to the intelligent hindu brethren's of this great nation to be sensible and not in the least bit to an arrogant insane......
OMAR - WHAT ARROGANCE IS THERE???
OMAR SAB, Where is the arrogance in the statements??? 1. Isn't it a fact that Muslims were ruling India when Afro- Americans were slaves?? 2. HOW CAN RULERS BECOME BACKWARD??? 3. Isn't it Abraham Lincon who abolished slavery in USA??? What is the role of ISLAM in it??? Didn't your Mohammad himself practice slavery???? Isn't existence of slavery practice explicitly stated in QUR"AN -SURA 2 Verse 221 'A SLAVE WOMAN WHO BELIEVES IS BETTER THAN AN UNBELIEVING WOMAN (MARRIAGE). Doesn't this verse clearly indicate that Muhammad and his ISLAMIC followers practiced slavery??? If no slavery was practiced by Muhammad how did ALLAH PRESCRIBE THE ABOVE RULE THROUGH QUR'AN AS SLAVE WOMEN WOULD NOT HAVE EXISTED??? 4. If you are so unhappy about India why don't you go to PAKISTAN and enjoy equal opportunities in an ISLAMIC country or perhaps BANGLADESH??? 5. Wasn't these two countries created for INDIAN MUSLIMS who feared that they will never ever get justice in a HINDU DOMINATED INDIA? 6. You have clearly expressed your about the injustice Muslims face in India. So aren't you a fit case to migrate to Pakistan OR Bangladesh?????
Anonymous- why is this arrogance again?
Mr.Anonymous..I am not surprised by your reply,I know you will cry for my migration...Any way thanks for your suggestions,
Slavery has long been practiced before the coming of Islam..., In the pre-Islamic Arab's,Egyptian,Jewish,Greek and Roman societies ,slavery was in full use in different aspects. Aristotle subscribed to the idea that men were born not to be equal as some will become master due to their superior brain power and intellectual capacity while others will become slaves.
Islam put forward a plan to abolish it. Slavery has been gradually abolished by Islam where Islam first rooted,please ponder on the below verses from HOLY QURAN.,If you are wise...
Chapter,2:V.177,
“Righteousness is not turning your faces towards the east or the west. Righteous are those who believe in GOD, the Last Day, the angels, the scripture, and the prophets; and they give the money, cheerfully, to the relatives, the orphans, the needy, the traveling alien, the beggars, and to FREE THE SLAVES; and they observe the Prayers (Salat) and give the obligatory charity (Zakat); and they keep their word whenever they make a promise; and they steadfastly persevere in the face of persecution, hardship, and war. These are the truthful; these are the righteous
Chapter.90:V.10-13,
And shown man the two paths? But he hath made no haste on the path that is steep.And what will explain to thee the path that is steep?(It is:) FREEING THE SLAVE,Or the giving of food in a day of privation,To the orphan with claims of relationship, Or to the indigent(down)in the dust,Then will he be of those who believe, and enjoin patience,(constancy, and self-restraint), and enjoin deeds of kindness and compassion, Such are the belivers....
Chapter.9:V.60
Charities shall go to the poor, the needy, the workers who collect them...., TO FREE THE SLAVE, to those burdened by sudden expenses, in the cause of GOD, and to the traveling alien. Such is GOD's commandment. GOD is Omniscient, Most Wise.
There are several verses in the QURAN empahsising and making the act of freeing the slave a part of punishment for any criminal act. There are several verses in the Holy Quran which specifically mentioned the requirement of FREEING OF SLAVE as a way of meeting the punishment for wrongdoing...See also Chapter5:89 and 58:3.
Chapter 5.V:89
Allah will not call you to account for what is futile in your oaths,but He will call you to account for your deliberate oaths: for expiation,feed ten indigent persons, on a scale of the average for the food of your families;or clothe them; or GIVE A SLAVE HIS FREEDOM.If that is beyond your means,fast for three days.That is the expiation for the oaths ye have sworn. But keep to your oaths.Thus doth Allah make clear to you His signs,that ye may be grateful
The verse you have quoted (Chapter 2:V.221)also testifies the fact that Islam gave the slaves equal rights and honour and asked his followers to marry their slaves,to equivate them in status.What's wrong in that??
Islam is the only relegion and Quran is the only scripture which makes freeing of slaves has an commandment,I challenge there is no relegious scripture on the face of the earth,which speaks against slavery as loud as Islam...
NOW COMING BACK TO YOUR CRY TO MIGRATE,I will never migrate to any country even my life is endangered by fascist...,as I love my INDIA and FOR THE FAITH I have upon my honest and secular hindu friends...So better stop sending this immature and insane statements..Dont humiliate yourself by calling for Indians to migrate.
Dont you NOT feel yOur Abuse on Muslims as beggars is not arrogance??,Well then you have probably lost the senses to identify your own arrogance...The worst form of crime is not able to acknowledge one's own mistakes/sins...
SEEKING RESERVATION AFTER BEING RULERS IS ARROGANCE
Begging for reservation after ruling India for 800 years is arrogance. It is shameful and just goes to show that Muslims cannot compete with other religious groups. Has Christians which form just 2.5% of Indian population ever demanded reservation???
Christians do demand reservations.
Has Christians which form just 2.5% of Indian population ever demanded reservation??? This question of yours is utter non-sense Anonymous....
you are totally ignorant or you pretend not to know it for the sake of argument. Christians do it all the time under the 1800 Hindu castes that they originally belong to most of which are backward castes and Christian converts proudly stick to their caste labels for the sake of reservations.
Try to beat in an argument with logic but yours is most of the time is simple bullshit.
Knowledgeable Rebuttal Omer
masha Allah, All praise be to Glorious God one who Has given you much knowledge on the Quran and Islamic teachings to give a good counter argument about slavery in Islam. Your argument is simply wonderful, keep it up and post more similar to it to give knowledge to the jahlia. "Feed them with what you feed and clothe with what you clothe yourselves " this is an Islamic teaching that Muhammad (saw) gave the Muslims of his time and if that is followed where is slavery possible if that has been truly followed?
As you rightly said Islam is the only religion that gave a definite systematic programme for the abolition of slavery
DID MUSLIMS STOP SLAVERY ON THE DIRECTIONS OF MOHD??
It is a historic fact that the Muslims did not stop the practice of slavery even if it was directed by Mohammad and has been prescribed in QUR'AN. THIS PRECISELY IS THE PROBLEM OF ISLAM.1. ISLAM PREACHES ONE THING BUT THE FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM DO THINGS AS THEY PLEASE. 2. QUR'AN ITSELF HAS SO MANY VERSES WHICH DIRECT MUSLIMS TO FIGHT NON-BELIEVERS THAT MISGUIDED 'MULLAHS" AND MUSLIM YOUTH CAN FIND JUSTIFICATION FOR ALL ACTS OF VIOLENCE IN QUR'AN. As correctly stated by SHAH RUKH KHAN, there is "ALLAHAs Islam and MULLAHs Islam". Unfortunately, 99% Muslims follow "MULLAHs" Islam which is the cause of most violence in world today. There is no unrest in the world today -with the exception of Srilanka, where one side of the instigation of violence is by followers of ISLAM.
Yes followers dont follow the scriptures
If every men and women started to follow what has precisely commanded in their respective scriptures,world will be a different place...,Peaceful,harmonious....
Do you mean to say only followers of Islam do not follow their Quran,..Lets analyse what is the status of followers of hinduism to their holy scriptures.....
Discussing the concept of GOD alone,according to the Vedas,
"na tasya pratima asti
"There is no image of Him."
[Yajurveda 32:3]5
"shudhama poapvidham"
"He is bodyless and pure."
[Yajurveda 40:8]6
"Andhatama pravishanti ye asambhuti mupaste"
"They enter darkness, those who worship the natural elements" (Air, Water, Fire, etc.). "They sink deeper in darkness, those who worship sambhuti."
[Yajurveda 40:9]7
What is Sambhuti? IT means created things, for example table, chair, idol, etc.
The following verse from the Rigveda Book 8, hymn 1, verse 1 refer to the Unity and Glory of the Supreme Being:
"Ma cid anyad vi sansata sakhayo ma rishanyata"
"O friends, do not worship anybody but Him, the Divine One. Praise Him alone."
[Rigveda 8:1:1]10
"Devasya samituk parishtutih"
"Verily, great is the glory of the Divine Creator."
[Rigveda 5:1:81]11
The following verses from the Upanishad allude to the inability of man to imagine God in a particular form:
Ekam evadvitiyam"
"He is One only without a second."
[Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1]
"There is no likeness of Him"
(Svetasvatara Upanishad Chapter 4 verse 19)
"Na casya kascij janita na cadhipah."
"Of Him there are neither parents nor lord."
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 6:9]2
"Na tasya pratima asti"
"There is no likeness of Him."
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:19]3
"Na samdrse tisthati rupam asya, na caksusa pasyati kas canainam."
"His form is not to be seen; no one sees Him with the eye."
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:20]4
From the above verses it is crystal clear and not an aorta of doubt that
1)there is only one God not an another even in the least bit
2)HE does not have any forms and shapes
3)there is no likeliness to God
4)HE cannot be seen with the human eyes
5)HE does not have parents...
How many follwers of hinduism follow this fundamental concept of God which is been commanded,on the contrary..I am not being rude,there are millions of god's and godess being worshipped in India among them it is sad to say there are animal gods...and the worst of all is Lingam and yoni worship..Lingam- male organ of procreation and Yoni- female organ of procreation....How deviated are the people from the essence of Vedas,upanishads. etc..
Indeed world will be a better place if every one adheres to their scriptures,of course muslims are not the exception...
ONE GOD PRINCIPLE IN HINDUISM and ISLAM
Elite: Your knowledge is simply wonderful, superb. This is what
the origin of creation and all religions are about, when scholars
go into deeper research on religions as Karen Armstrong has done
in her wonderful book, "The History of God",
this is the sort of conclusion that people will arrive at.
There are several levels of understanding as far as God is
concerned, but at the highest level, there is wonderful convergence
of monotheism in almost all religions, but at the lower levels of
religion, for instance in the case of Hinduism they practice
polytheism according to Dr. Radhakrishnan. To a smaller degree
it applies to some illiterate Muslims, they visit the tombs and
mausoleums of saints and mystiques.... one good example is the
Shrine at Ajmer where the mausoleum of the Sufi saint Kaja Muinuddin
Chisti is venerated by both Muslims and Hindus supplicating directly
to the deceased saint to help them and rescue, alleviate their sufferings,
give them health, prosperity and so on, so forth. This is what we call
in Islam SHIRIK... that is associating someone or something to one true
God Almighty and in Islam it is the biggest sin simply because in
the Quran, God says, I am closer to you than your jugular vein,
I am closer to you, let my slave call me, I will answer his call.
So what is the point of travelling hundreds of miles to the graves
of saints for the purpose of so called mediation if there is a direct
hot line available 24 hours a day.God requires no middlemen.
As you have explained beautifully, the big difference between Islam
and Hinduism is that, Islam makes a difference between the Creator
and the created but Hinduism considers both the creator and the
created are the same and this has lead to several thousands forms
of deities in Hinduism.
This is what happened during the time of Prophet Abraham. People
worshipped the sun then. Abraham said, sun appears and disappears,
I do not want to worship something that has been created by the creator
and the one that disappears, let me worship the one who created the sun
and the moon and one who never disappears.
If you follow what you have written you are like a Rishi.. a pure
monotheist and you are one who has submitted to the will of one
almighty God. I hope our brothers Anonymous and Chathrapathi
who write a lot about Hindu philosophy in these forum read yours
and mine and get better illumination. Take care and keep enlightening.
Muslims Do Not Blame Hindus but the Politicians.
Please think quietly and calmly, a minority is a minority with all
its weaknesses and disabilities in every country in the world
regardless of race and religion. Your words are emotive and you
seem to be biased on the issue of Indian Muslim minorities.
No problem can be solved by hitting and hating each others.
Muslim poverty and backwardness is a vicious circle. Ordinary Hindus
are not responsible, but the Government in power is responsible for
the economic backwardness, educational backwardness and business
backwardness of Muslims simply because they were reluctant to help
the Muslims due to the fear of getting branded as Muslim appeasement.
Take a small Muslim town/village with a population of about 1500 people,
there is no primary school, the people are poor. How is it possible for
them to build a private primary school of their own...
I am from a Muslim village and there was no primary or secondary
school in my place until 1962, and I used to cycle about 12 km to
reach a school. This is a vicious cycle. Poverty breeds poverty.
As long as a section or some sections of the country remain terribly
downtrodden, the negative and vicious social effects may do more harm
to the overall development of India.
You can argue that the rich Muslims can help, again you do not
find as many rich Muslims as you find rich Hindus or rich Christians.
Same vicious circles spirals.
Please take a survey of the people in Indian prisons, you come across
all sorts of criminals, belonging to all castes, religions, regions and
ethnicity, what I am deriving at is that the minority of all religious
groups are vicious and a majority of all are fairly good and so Muslims
are appealing to the good Hindu majority to be sympathetic and considerate
towards the economic backwardness of the minorities. Is it asking for
too much?.
Your argument on Muslim rulers does not hold water.. In spite of
small weaknesses and mal-administration here and there, most of
the Muslim rulers were excellent secularists right from Barber. So
they never favoured the Muslims as the Christians were favoured during
the rule of the British Colonialists... Go around any city in India and
you find dozens of Christian schools and colleges on prime lands in
the city simply because the colonial administration indirectly helped
the spread of Christianity and Christian Schools and very many Hindus
who went to these Mission schools were influenced and became Christians...
but the Muslims were discriminated by Christian schools simply because
having reached the highest form of belief in one God, Muslims will never
come down to the belief of three in one god. so it was not productive to
give places to Muslim children in Christian schools and thus the vicious
circle keeps spiraling and widening.
Even in a merit based country like Singapore, the backward people
in terms of economy are given some sort of reservations, concessions.
This is the way the Dalits and other educationally and economically
backward communities in India have enhanced their standard of living
to some extent... So Muslims have to beg the Govt, in power to do something
like reservations to raise their educational and economic standard..
There is nothing shamefully wrong about it because the Government
appointed honest and social justice minded gentleman Justice Rajinder Sachar
( he had no axe to grind) had clearly reported the unfairly lop sided
development of Muslim minorities in various fields.
There are Indians mostly Hindus who had migrated from India
and have settled down for good in the UK, Fiji, Mauritius,
Malaysia, Sri Lanka, Burma and so on. It is an undeniable fact
that our sympathy and concern go towards them when they face
problems in their countries of settlements,
in the same way Islam is an international ideology and Muslims
of India feel agitated when their co-religionists suffer and
have problems whether it is in Palestine, Bosnia, Kosovo ,
Bangladesh, Iran, Lebanon, or Pakistan for that matter, it
does not mean that their loyalty is in question, affinity
towards ideology does not .mean disloyalty to one’s mother land.
Please understand that an Indian Muslim is both an Indian and a Muslim.
He ought to show his loyalty to God Almighty and to his nation. Please
do not reject this duality as long as he is loyal to India and ready to
serve his country and die if necessary in defending it.
If what you say is true about the Muslim population increase,
the percentage of Muslims in India would not have stood at 13%
for the past 60 years. It is a myth and a propaganda. It is true
the poor give birth to more children but that happens in all
communities, and the Muslim poor are not an exception.
except ur one god principle,everything is nice,
please inptilayan when you are discussing social backwardness of muslims.why do you jump again to one god or three god principle.if i say in my advaitic sense your creator god or one god will suddenly die.so let us keep our faith in the hearts rather bring out through the mouths. okay. lets come to peace.let all the faiths survive live together.go together.i wish as a sincere hindu indian that all the muslims of india should come forward in all spheres.i shall assure you india shall not be a political hindu state for ever. but can u promise me that pakistan or bangla shall not be a political islamic state when there are millions of people of other faiths.please we have to answer these paradoxes.let there be a muslim prime minister for india like obama in the u.s.jai hind,jai allah, jai sree ram,jai jesus.
Thank you Santa Chathrapathi
Dear Santa Chathrapathi salams, nameste and greetings,
thank you for your appreciation and sympathy towards most
of my ideas, pleading for the earnest consideration of
conscientious and right thinking members of the majority
community like you, you are a different Chathrapathi not
the venomously biased one whose postings I see quite often
in these forums.....It is possible, feasible, desirable and
workable that different communities can live in peace in India
with some understanding, tolerance, give and take, accommodation
and least interventions in each others' beliefs and cultural
moorings, if and it is a BIG IF politicians do not try to
fish in troubled waters.
My mention about the concept of God in Christianity was contextual
as I had to discuss the reasons for the backwardness of Muslim
education in the British colonial India.. certainly religious
beliefs may hinder some and encourage some towards secular
English education.
Take care, thanks once again.
My Request
Sir, So far I have never seen any party that would not help muslims fearing to be branded as 'Muslim appeasement' except BJP and Shiv Sena like Hindu Vadi Parties. Ever Since we are independent Congress had been the party that had ruled the country for the major portion. Pt. Nehru had never been termed as non-secular (he used to say that he is a Hindu only by accident and a Muslim by nature) he, his daughter and her son had ruled the country for most of the time whose secularist character was never doubted by any Muslims leaders so far. Except BJP all other parties that ruled the country (at centre) were always termed Secular parties by Muslim leaders. So how can you blame any political party and above all the Hindu community for the backwardness of Muslims? Why don't you accept the truth that lack of family planning plays a mjor role in the backwardness of Muslims?. There are crores of Hindus who do not have reservations and are economically in a poor condition. Please do search for the root cause of the backwardness of Muslim community and address it rather than making false allegations on Hindu Community or the leaders of the nation as if all of them have favored Hindus a lot.
Your claim that most of the Muslim rulers were secular and thus have not taken care of Muslim community is also a flase cry. I don't think any one in India except the psudo secularist would accept this claim. Put more focus on literacy and family planning else any community may not prosper. See the status of BIMARU states ? whay there has not been development in these states despite of they holding key at centre for years together? that is simply lack of family planning in these states. Educate your community and firstly do ask for favors from politicians who are just counting your heads for votes. One can do a lot with detrmination and really Obama's is an example.I Wish my Indian Muslim brotheren all the best, and I would really like to see a real secular Muslim as PM at the earliest possible. But please my request once again is not to blame any community for your fate .. only you are responsible for your fate.
MUSLIMS MUST BLAME THEMSELVES NOT POLITICIANS!!!!!!!!!!
INPTILAYAN, MILANOMAIL, like I said the intelligent, educated middle class MUSLIMS opted for Pakistan in 1947. Some of them like Muharaff, Zia ul Huq,Bhutoos, Ayub Khan, Jinnah etc controlled the destiny of Pakistan for many years. Only the Nawab/ Shahabzada/ Land lord Muslims and poor Muslims opted to stay back in India. The land lords wanted cheep labour and "vote bank". So they kept you illiterate. NOW illiterate people can not aspire to be IAS, IFS, or be even be a peon.
Why blame the politician??? In a secular state the "best qualified" get the job. Selecting Illiterate/ under qualified Muslims in preference to better qualified HINDU will not be secularism- YOU WANT SECULARISM- DON"T YOU???
Secularism of MUSLIM RULERS!!!!. FROM what I see now I just do not believe that Muslims can be secular. How can MUSLIMS be secular when they shout five times a day, every day, that ALLAH is the only god as if Jesus, AHURAMAZDA, JAIN, BUDDHA, YAHOWA and all the HINDU GODS worshiped by 70% of the world population ARE NOT GOD at all!!!
Hindus do not hate anybody and are willing to pray to ALLAH, JESUS or any other god. A Hindu can pray to even a TOOTH BRUSH considering it to be his GOD but can a MUSLIM claim the same "secularism".
CONCEPT OF GOD: HINDUISM and ISLAM
Mr ANONYMOUS above says, Quote
"A Hindu can pray to even a TOOTH BRUSH considering it to be his GOD but can a MUSLIM claim the same "secularism"."
Mr Anonymous is an honest man, he says A H I N D U C A N
P R A Y E V E N A T O O T H B R U S H "
WE MUSLIMS CONCEDE DEFEAT AND TELL HIM WE CAN NEVER ACCEPT THAT
ILLOGICAL CONCEPT AND PRAY A TOOTH PASTE AS god..
I wonder whether he is well versed in Hinduism to say all these
Or whether these are his own ideas. Some knowledgeable Hindus who
know Hinduism more deeply, please clarify whether Hindus are allowed
to pray to a tooth brush.
How comes a man can treat a tooth brush as god and pray to it?
Does the plastic tooth brush have the sense to understand his
prayers? Can a tooth brush hear and see?
Mr. Anonymous also says that the following great people such as
AHURAMAZDA, JAIN, BUDDHA, JESUS must be taken as gods as equal to
ONE TRUE ALMIGHTY GOD who in ARABIC language called ALLAH( Indians
can use the word GOD, Bhagawan,Iswara, Andava, Kadavul as equivalent
but not a tooth brush)
HERE AGAIN WE MUSLIMS CONCEDE THAT HUMAN BEINGS such as AHURAMAZDA,
JAIN, BUDDHA, JESUS, MUHAMMAD ... though they are very very great people,
were human beings.
Mr. Anonymous must understand the difference between the CREATOR
and the CREATED, AHURAMAZDA, JAIN, BUDDHA, JESUS and Muhammad
were created human beings, One True Almighty God can create millions
of these Great souls instantly if God wanted, no matter how great
these souls are/were they will NEVER EVER TAKE THE PLACE OF THE CREATOR….
This is the difference between Islam and other polytheistic religions
like Hinduism and Christianity.
Mr Anonymous should understand that religious tolerance is different
from accepting the deities of all religions as equal. Hindus and
Muslims can behave like blood brothers in India by tolerating each
others religion, but he should not expect Mulsim to pray to Buddha,
Shiva, Vishnu, Jesus, Kali, Indra, Krishna Rama and so on and treat
them as equal to one true almighty God the creator of the universe.
Simply because Islam does not accept the several deities of Hinduism,
it does not mean that Islam is intolerant, simply because Hinduism is
ready to accept Buddha, Jesus and Muhammad as deities and place them
in their temples it does not mean that Hinduism is tolerant.
Truth is truth and false is false and let that be decided by God
Almighty, but let us leave people as they believe now without
attempting to force each others views and become intolerant in
the process.
Concept of God in different religions is different. We can not
force each other’s concept of God , leave them alone and let them
cross from one barricade to the other if they are not happy where
they are now. There is no compulsion in religion.
CONCEPT OF GOD - NO DIFFERENCE IN HINDUISM & ISLAM
DEAR INPTILAYAN, Concept of GOD is not different in Hinduism and Islam. "OM KAR" or Shakthi or ISHWAR is the only GOD which is being prayed to in different forms by Hindus. To give an example The "Indian Govt is one" but it has many departments like Finance, Defence, HRD, Home, External Affairs etc and different departments have to be approached for different task . Similarly Hindus have the freedom to pray to separate GOD like Ganapathi, Saraswathi, Kamadev, Vishnu, Shiv, Brahma etc which essentially is part of the "ONE GOD" while ISLAM prohibits splitting of the "one God which you call ALLAH". So that alone is the difference.
It is the practice of ISLAM by ignorant Muslims which is leading to "conflict between religion". Unfortunately,most Muslims are ignorant. More importantly you insist that your GOD is the only GOD which implies that the GOD I believe in is NOT a GOD. The immediate retort that comes up is "HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT??? ISN'T IT MORE DRASTIC THAN TELLING SOMEBODY THAT THE MAN WHOM HE BELIEVE TO BE HIS "FATHER CAN NOT FATHER CHILDREN AT ALL"????? SO IT IS IN THE PRACTICE OF THE RELIGION THAT HINDUS AND MUSLIMS DIFFER. WHILE HINDUS ARE MAGNANIMOUS AND ACCEPT Muslims RIGHT TO PRAY TO "ALLAH" AND MAY EVEN JOIN HIM, THE MUSLIMS INSIST THAT ALLAH IS THE ONLY GOD AND SHOUTS IT FIVE TIMES A DAY FROM THE ROOF TOP, EVERY DAY . BUT IF MUSLIMS ARE SO DAMN SURE THAT ALLAH IS THE ONLY GOD WHY DO THEY HAVE TO SHOUT IT FIVE TIMES DAY EVERY DAY??? EVIDENTLY MUSLIMS ARE NOT SURE EVEN AFTER 1376 YEARS SINCE DEATH OF MOHAMMAD THAT ALLAH IS THE ONLY GOD!!!
NOW TO THAT "DUDE" WHO COMMENTED ON TOOTH BRUSH GOD. YOUR UTTER LACK OF UNDERSTANDING A HYPERBOLIC STATEMENT CLEARLY INDICATE THAT YOU MUST BE A "REALLY STUPID MUSLIM". "DUDE"- ISLAMIC POWER DECLINED THE WORLD OVER WHEN INTELLIGENCE REPLACED BRUTE PHYSICAL POWER. SO SHARPEN YOUR BRAIN "DUDE" BUT I HOPE "DUDE" THAT YOU DON'T IMMEDIATELY PULL OUT A "RAZOR TO COMMENCE DOING IT"!!!!!
Different froms of God Islamic Explains.
You have every right to hold to your views.
There is no compulsion in religion. Had Ishwar wanted
he could have created all human beings to follow one
religion, one way of life and one single community,
but we have been made into clans, tribes, communities
and nationalities so that we recognize each other,
But in the sight of God ( Begawan)those who are righteous
are the most honoured... these are common religious teachings.
The sort of idea about the forms of God that you explain is
not acceptable as per the higher level of Islamic thinking, so
unfortunately we do differ again. The same sort of ideology even
the Arabs during the time of Muhammad had, they did believe in
one God in Arabic language they called that God as ALLAH....
in Arabic language ILAH means god and AL the definite article
to mean THE, THE ONLY ONE, but the Arabs argued with Muhammad saying
that, "Muhammad we do believe in Allah the big God but the god has many
forms, he has his daughters and wives and children, and we worship all
of them in our temples, it is easy for us to go through the
smaller gods as mediators to reach the bigger God Allah"
And for instance, they had 360 forms of these gods and every god
had his/her name. and worshipped one form of god or one god each day.
And Muhammad did not buy their argument and said, there is no need for you to go through these idols of stone, clay and metal, you pray to one and only God who can hear you and listen to you. You ask the one and only God to help even
if your shoe straps are broken, He is nearer to you than your jugular vein,
he hears one who calls him and answers the prayers of those who pray
to him.
The Greeks were arguing the same way about their umpteen forms of god
and their wives, daughters and sons until Christianity brought
to start with Unitarianism and later on changed into Trinity
for some political reasons to agree with the Roman concepts of god.
All religions have different levels of faith, the faith of Hindu Rishis
may be the highest form of Hinduism and based on purest Monotheism, but the Hinduism followed by a big majority of the masses are very much polytheistic.... I am not saying this...this is the opinion of Dr. Radhakrishnan one of the greatest exponents of more logical Hinduism,
I do not want to go down to your level of rudeness and lower my dignity
by swearing and using unnecessarily unpalatable terms about any religion. It is better I follow the advice of the Quran which says
"Do not revile the gods of others because due to ignorance they
may revile the one true almighty God. And Invite others with a
beautiful calling and modesty and if they reject, you say to you
your way of life and to me my way of life and Let God be the
witness between us when we finally meet HIM one day"
Tooth brush worshippers
Hi dude don't make a mockery of Hinduism.!go and read the meaning of secularism before uttering any further word.Tooth brush worshippers,r u a dentist dude?...
hi double dude truth can also be god,please know hindu advaita
mr being a hindu why dont you understand a fellow hindus broader understanding of universal concept of god rather than falling prey to inptilayan's most foolish creator god that is pooh pooed by both science and the almighty alone.when god is indivisible,infinite what ever is from god is god alone and nothing else. poornam idham poornamadaha poornath poorna mudhachyathe, poornasya poornamaadhaaya poornameva vashishyathe. this(brahman,atman,god)is full,that(creation,sakthi,manifested energy which is god himself)is full(infinite),only infinite comes from infinite,even if infinity is subtracted from infinity, only fullness or infinity or god remains.this is the scientific,authenitic,demonstrable,concept of god which forms the core philosophy of sanatana or vaidiki or hindu dharma.dont you remember prahlada's answer when he was asked by his father hiranyakasip about God's whereabouts.god is here, god is there,there is no place where god is not there,where ever you search u find god.what does it mean my dear god dude, sentient,nonsentient,creation created,souls,everything clubbed always indivisible is god.so truth is god himself who is in insentient manifestation.those who deny the latent energy of radio active elements of nature shall realise when it explodes like narasimha from the pillar.so understan you first before falling prey to most foolish concept one god creator that created finite element time,space and causation.BRAHMA SATYAM JAGAN MITHYA-SHANKARA PRATIPADITHA ADVAITA SATYA
DUDE- HERE IS ULTIMATE ADVAITA FROM GITA
HI DUDE,
BHAGAVAD GITA - CHAPTER 7- KNOWLEDGE OF THE ABSOLUTE - SLOKA 21
yo yo yam yam tanum bhakta sraddhayarcitum icchati
tasya tasyacalam sraddham tam eva vidadhamy aham
The above SLOKA can be translated as under.
The most ancient GOD of Hinduism states:-
" I am in everyone's heart as the Supersoul. As soon as you desire to worship some demigod, I make his faith steady so that he can devote himself to that particular deity."
From the above sloka the Hindu is allowed to worship any form of GOD and is the ultimate "ADVITA". It can also be argued that even the Muslims, Christians Jews etc have been allowed by the ANCIENT, ORIGINAL AND OMNIPOTENT HINDU GOD to worship their GOD of choice. But having commenced to worship such "DEMI GODS" they now state that their God is the only God and their path to salvation the only route to attain salvation.
REPALY TO "DUDE's" Advaita
Hi DUDE,
GITA CHAPTER 7- KNOWLEDGE OF THE ABSOLUTE- SLOKA 21
"yo yo yam yamtanum bhaktah, sraddhayarcitum icchati
tasya tasyacalam sraddham tam eva vidadhamy aham"
IT is so said by GOD " I am in everyone's heart as the Supersoul. As soon as one desire to worship some demigod, I make his faith steady so that he can devote himself to that particular deity"
So "DUDE" a Hindu can worship to any GOD unlike Muslims who have to consistantly say "LA ILLAHI ILL ILLAHI". Infact, based on the above sloka, Hinduism being the oldest religion can argue that the it is the "ALMIGHTY WORSHIPED BY HINDUS FROM TIME IMMEMMORIAL" has granted permission to Muslims, Christians, Jews etc to worship their "DEMIGODS". But the sad part is that having been permitted to do so BY the mighty ORIGINAL GOD WHICH IS A HINDU GOD, these religions persist in their insistence that "THEIR GOD IS THE ONLY GOD AND THEIR PATH TO SALVATION THE ONLY ROUTE TO SALVATION.
Hindu Advaita and Muslim Tawheed: Very Similar
Your Advaita is simply beautiful, but the way you say is rather
impolite to God conscious people like me.
No Muslim scholar who has deep knowledge of Hinduism denies that.
That is the reason many Rishis who were living during the time of
Kaja Muienuddin Chisti of Ajmir loved the Sufism of Islam because there is marvelous similarity between the purest Hinduism and Islam on the side of spiritualism. And many Hindu saints became Muslims because of this also.
Muslims believe that the Almighty has sent prophets and books to all
corners of the Earth to civilize the humans and teach them the Tawheed
( pure monotheism ) which is the oneness of God. While trying to view
Hinduism in this context we find that many Quranic stories like those
of Nooh, Lut, Abraham and Moses are also found in Hindu traditions,
although the names of characters are different. The Vedantic concept
of Advaita is similar to Tawheed which is the primary and most important
part of Islam .
Advaita meaning without a second is derived from Upanishdas.
The philosophy of advaita states that there is only one supreme
being and he is the only truth everything else is a part of the
supreme reality or that Brahmaan and is illusion (Maya). The
Tradition of Wahdatul Wajood in Islam states that the existence
of the Sublime Being of the Almighty is compulsory and whatever
else exists, is the manifestation of Allah and the spiritual part
of Allah. Thus, in reality, there is only one single existence (i.e. Allah).
The big difference lies in the concept that in Advaita the creator
and the creation are same i.e. The Universe or Brahmaan whereas in
Islam the creator and creation are different, Allah is the creator
of the Universe.
However, this difference is also evident in the Theories of Shankaracharya
who believes in the former and the Ramanujam who insisted that God and
man are different existence or being and not one.
These are, however, minor differences and in fact should be welcomed
as these invite discussion and research and thus increase the interest
of Scholars as well as common people.
In practice though, these differences are overwhelmed by the belief
in one God who is Omnipotent and Omnipresent in his wisdom.
But please read what Swamy Vivekananda has to say on Islam and Advaita
The modern master of Vedanta Swami Vivekananda observed
“ I believe it (Advaita and Vedanta) is the religion of the
future enlightened humanity...I am firmly persuaded that
without the help of practical Islam, theories of Vedantism,
however fine and wonderful they maybe, are entirely valueless
to the vast mass of mankind...For our own motherland a junction
of the two great systems, Hinduism and Islam - Vedanta brain and
Islam body - is the only hope...” and “our experience is that
if ever the followers of any religion approach to this (Advaita)
in an appreciable degree in the plane of practical work-a-day life-
it may be quite unconscious generally of the deeper meaning and the
underlying principle of such conduct, which the Hindus as a rule so
clearly perceive - it is those of Islam and Islam alone....”.
In simple words Islam has the Practical aspects of Advaita where as
Hinduism has the philosophy and theory. What we need is the marriage.
ISLAM says opposite of GITA. Isn't it????
Sloka from Gita ( 7:21) states that "THE SUPREME GOD" IS SURE THAT HE IS IN EVERY ONES HEART AND DOES NOT FEEL "THREATENED" BY ANYONE PRAYING TO ANY "DEMIGOD". IN FACT THE SLOKA FURTHER STATES THAT "THE SUPREME ALMIGHTY" WILL STEADY SUCH PEOPLES FAITH SO THAT HE CAN DEVOTE FULLY TO "SUCH DEMIGODs".
BUT ISLAM INSIST THAT "ALLAH IS THE ONLY GOD" and nobody can pray to any other God. DOESN'T both mean diagonally opposite???? The "ALMIGHTY" in Gita is "sure of himself and does not feel threatened by his followers praying to any DEMIGODs" while "ALLAH" is "NOT sure that he is the only god in spite of his followers repeating it "five times a day- every day" from 620-632AD to 2008- for 1376-1388 years.
To illustrate with an example- Men who are confident of themselves and the love his wife has for him would not mind his wife talking to other men but psychopathic "doubters" will use violence to ensure that his wife does not speak to any other man. "WHOSE GOD IS CONFIDENT OF HIS FOLLOWERS AND WHOSE GOD IS PSYCHOPATHIC DOUBTER"- I live it your imagination.
Does any country in the world have the reservation system?
Does any country in the world have the reservation system? Please try to go to the record before blaming any one. Tracing the employment pattern of Muslims, the records say that just three percent of IAS officers, four percent of IPS officers and meager 1.8 percent of Indian Foreign Service (IFS) officers are from the community. It goes on to say that just 2.2 percent of all bank employees, including of the Reserve Bank of India (RBI), are Muslims. Drawing a comparison with Hindus, the records say that while 63.6 percent of Muslims live in non-permanent houses, 55.2 percent Hindus live in similar conditions. 'Thirty percent of Muslims have access to electricity while 43.2 percent of Hindus have access to electricity. (Similarly) 19.4 percent of Muslims have access to piped water against 25.3 percent Hindus,' the records say. The literacy rate of India is at 65 percent, for Muslims it is 59 percent. It is not as low compared to the employment & basic amenities. This kind of minority appeasement as claimed by the sanghis.
Islamically nothing wrong in asking for reservations.
brother milanomail, salams and shukriah for the telling statistics, good work, keep reading and keep answering the fascist propagandists who use Machiavellians technique to fool India that Indian Muslims are favoured by the congress and other secular parties in power... it is non-sense pure and simple.
You should read Mr. Khalid’s recent book on this, it is a well researched book by a leading professor teaching at one of the top ranking universities in the USA.You should also find out the number of Muslims serving in India's armed forces, the regional reserve units and the police force through out India... proportional representation wise there are more Indian Parcees and Indian Jews and Indian Christians and the Sikhs serving in the armed forces but a tiny little percentage of Indian Muslims, there is open discrimination ( whether Congress rules or BJP rules)
Simply because a Sikh assassinated the Prime Minister of India, the Govt has not stopped or reduced the recruitment of Sikhs and in the same way simply because a RSS man killed Gandhi, it does not mean that RSS sympathizers are not in the Indian army and police. According to Khalidi, about 38 known cases of Indian national spying for other countries had been reported, out of this not more than 4 involve Indian Muslims
Reservation deviding religion
Asking for reservation on the basis of socio-economic backwardness is not bad but in India, fundamentalist forces succeeded in giving the reservation to certain section of muslim community. They actually devided muslim community in castes and sub castes, which in not allowed in Islam i suppose. Islam preaches equality. Certain so called high caste people in muslim comunity are hand to mouth and illitracy is very rampant and obvious. And certain people are running caste politics and basically they act as stooges in the hand of anti Islmaic forces. Why people from certain caste in Islamc community get reservation and majority of muslims get nothing? Who devided them in Castes? Is it allowed in Islam to be devided like this?
I think it is high time that muslims in India get together and ask for reservation on the basis of economic backwardness. We should not accept our status in India just a minority or vote back. We are Indians and we follow Islam.
Muslim groups are different from Hindu castes
Omer, Salams, which state in India are you? In Tamil Nadu, where I am
if you take Muslims, there are only two groups one Urdu speaking
( educationally a bit more advanced)and Tamil Speaking( educationally
and economically a bit more backward) I challenge people like you
to prove to me that there are several castes among Tamil speaking
Muslims in Tamil Nadu, you can never do it.
Walk into a Muslim college in Chennai city ( say NEW COLLEGE)
where there are about 1600 Muslim students and ask them to
indicate their original Hindu caste on a plain piece of paper…
a survey without indicating their names… you will come up with
zero information. This is the revolution that Islam has brought
about in Tamil Nadu
Some namesake and less-knowledgeable Muslims may say in other
States or even in Tamil Nadu that “ I think my forefathers were
from such and such a caste……” wrongly and foolishly thinking that
it adds weight to their prestige, but such people are committing
a big sin if their intention is superiority complex, because Lord
of the Worlds says that in His sight those who are closer to Him
are those who have greater Taqwa So understand the real Islamic
principles, Islam is not represented by some illiterate clowns.
It is true Tamil Christians loyally, faithfully, and proudly
stick to their castes such as Mudaliar, Nadar, Pillai, Devar,
Maravar, Vanniar, Naidu etc but in spite of the fact that
Tamil Muslims had been converted from all casted right across
the board, to be very honest their original Hindu castes had
totally disappeared .. this has been one of the biggest
achievements of Islam in Tamil Nadu.
Now let the Indian Govt introduce caste-less economic background
based reservation system.. well and good, but until then
Indian Muslims asking for concessions or reservations is a
political strategy as other communities have been gaining
immensely by doing so and religiously it is not a sin, the
down trodden has the right to demand their due share of the cake.
Islam is the solution to casteism
Asslamu alikum Br.Hassan,It seems there is someone else who shares my name or a handiwork of a dirty ,evil minded anonymous..who has submitted the above article Reservation dividing religion in my name...
I am more inclined to think on the latter...As the article goes on to say, . "They actually devided muslim community in castes and sub castes, which in not allowed in Islam i suppose".Even a dumb person who follows Islam knows there is no place for casts and subcastes in Islam,why is this i suppose?
What is devided??It is spelt as Divided whoever has submitted learn it!
I am glad this "dirty work of the outsider if it is", generated a beautiful reply from you on the status of muslims in Tamil nadu...keep sharing your intellectual thoughts...
Pratibha Aunty, You forgot
Pratibha Aunty,
You forgot to mention Dr.Zakir Naik and the rest of the gang!
Eradicate Terrorism: Eliminate Togadias & Modis
Let me quote today's Times of India report:
"NEW DELHI: Terrorists who carried out the Mumbai attacks were shown video footage of Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi and VHP's Praveen Togadia "spitting venom" against jihad and Pakistan as motivational tools, arrested terrorist Ajmal Amir Kasav has told his interrogators.
Ajmal's interrogation report says the terrorists were also shown footage of the "Gujarat carnage and atrocities on Muslims" in India to rouse religious indignation.
Ajmal's interrogators said he had received rigorous training and had been primed for fidayeen attacks. He and others in the training camps were subjected to severe beatings by their trainers to develop resistance against any kind of interrogation"
Now it is clear who seeds terrorism in India. What are the root cause and who are behind it? Venom Spitters like Togadias and Modis should be removed from India. Do not support such venom spitters. Boycot them and let them go to hell. Jai Hind.
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